Radically Genuine Podcast with Dr. Roger McFillin

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[kel]: you talked about influencers if individual post
one of these videos and all of a

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[kel]: up to like i don't know five
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[kel]: of these videos so we'll have to
pop them up and just see where this

[kel]: conversation can can we pop one up
now just for an example you send a

[kel]: few but there might be a better
one some only have like music beds which

[kel]: is just try to i try to
filter those out so like this one might

[kel]: be yeahheckthat one out queen te terret
on tik tok there's five signs are probably

[kel]: autistic number one you miss or don't
understand when people are being sarcastic or passive

[kel]: aggressive or hinting towards something because you
always just plainly say what you mean and

[kel]: you act everyone else too number two
you listen to music everywhere you go or

[kel]: always have headphones and otherwise you're too
over stimulated or overwhelmed by the people and

[kel]: the noises it's life to have to
bring headphones number three you always mirror people's

[kel]: behavior back to them even when you
don't want to so if you're like oh

[kel]: i'm not in competition with this person
or i'm not intentionally being an ass hole

[kel]: by my so expressions are expressing that
is because you're mirroring how they're acting um

[kel]: number four you always spend time in
the dark naturalizing is okay but you get

[kel]: over stimulated by light and number five
you're always told you're a good listener because

[kel]: your mirror people's actions back to them
roger you're a good listener and you tend

[kel]: to spend a lot of time in
the dark it's these completely made up kind

[kel]: of symptoms are any of those actual
i don't know that one was for autism

[kel]: but are any of those at all
symptoms of what would traditionally be autismis someone

[kel]: just opening up up a diagnostic manual
and just pulling out a couple of things

[kel]: and reading them i mean what they're
doing is they're taking what could be a

[kel]: potential sign of autism and turning it
in to something that everyone would experience from

[kel]: time to time like first of all
no you know putting on headphones as a

[kel]: way of blocking out the world is
not a sign of autism in fact i

[kel]: remember back in two thousand nine i
was on the campus of temple university in

[kel]: philadelphia pennsylvania and it was like the
first time i was back in like an

[kel]: undergrad campus because i went to philadelphia
college of austiopathic medicine which was graduate school

[kel]: medical school and i think when i
was walking on campus seventy five per cent

[kel]: at that time of um students walking
around would have some form of a headphone

[kel]: in and that was like new for
me like oh this is new this never

[kel]: happened before so it's quite common for
people to pop in headphones air pods and

[kel]: you know i was up in new
york city not too long ago you know

[kel]: most people are going through the city
in their day and maybe they're listening to

[kel]: podcasts the radically genuine podcasts or other
no doubt so if you're young and you're

[kel]: vulnerable and you're impressionable you're seeking out
some way to define yourself or even try

[kel]: to understand yourself and this is what's
challenging they believe or their condition to believe

[kel]: that there's something wrong with them and
we think about adolescent development it's quite normal

[kel]: for you to question who you are
and what you're experiencing is normal in comparison

[kel]: to others now this is like people
can become hyper sensitive to this because it's

[kel]: in your face all the time in
that introspection and kind of judging your internal

[kel]: experience as if it's some sort of
a disorder that's concerning right and this is

[kel]: why we're having these rise in these
diagnoses and this identification with mental illness and

[kel]: going into mental health out patient practices
now i think the saviclinician can understand when

[kel]: somebody's just repeating symptoms from a book
um but i don't think a lot of

[kel]: our clinicians specially young clinicians really trained
at a really high level and are sophisticated

[kel]: enough be able to use deductive reasoning
and clinical questioning to be able to shift

[kel]: conversations back to get information and test
things out we are in this health care

[kel]: world where people are just coming in
quickly and say i'm experiencing this i'm experiencing

[kel]: this i'm experiencing that and you're you're
hit with a diagnosis some sort of treatment

[kel]: plan and trying to move forward so
this is the danger but aren't a lot

[kel]: of young doctors and antherapists aren't they
trained to be affirm good point really good

[kel]: point um yeah that's affirmative kind of
care model where anyone who comes in to

[kel]: see you you are validating and infirming
what they're experiencing as ways one of building

[kel]: a relationship and as a way of
decreasing kind of self judgment accepting what the

[kel]: and is telling you is as truth
and kind of valuing that person in front

[kel]: of you to apply that one hundred
per cent of the time without considering other

[kel]: potential functions or hypotheses to what might
be happening is really dangerous that's actually taking

[kel]: away the clinician's ability to critically evaluate
and think and i posted something on around

[kel]: this on twitter months ago back when
we were talking about social contagion effect and

[kel]: i had a psychiatrist create ironically a
tik tok video about me you know i

[kel]: remember i wish i could have bought
that up and it's like this idea i

[kel]: am completely invalidating somebody's experience by bringing
up these cultural phenomenons and i don't think

[kel]: that you can work in the mental
health field unless you are real attentive to

[kel]: what is happening in your culture around
you and that was scary for me that

[kel]: a child psychiatrist would accept at face
value ver billy what a child would kind

[kel]: of tell you about what they're experiencing
now first and foremost what's really important i

[kel]: feel like we've gone away from this
i was trained as a clinical psychologist i

[kel]: was trained that you must get multiple
reports from multiple environments to be able to

[kel]: confirm diagnosis meaning you know i'm going
to get what the what the teen ager

[kel]: or the kid is presenting with what
i'm observing what they're reporting but then i

[kel]: want to test that out what's the
school reporting as their parents reporting let me

[kel]: get some other data and information to
try to create a case conceptualization what about

[kel]: when it's a young adult young adult
how do you how do you go about

[kel]: getting other points of view other stories
or whatever workplace environment that kind of stuff

[kel]: no i wouldn't say workplace environment tends
to be family so if if it's an

[kel]: adult it could be a spouse if
you're a young adult or a teen age

[kel]: obviously it's the parents and if they're
in school you just ask for a release

[kel]: maybe talk to a school council or
so you have to get permission from your

[kel]: client you do okay and that's just
you know that's kind of standard also with

[kel]: like sochiatry or a medical professional so
it's really important that you are coordinating care

[kel]: i never get contacted these psychiatrists are
medical professionals when i'm working with a young

[kel]: person or a teen ager and it's
part of the systemic problem that exists in

[kel]: our in our health care system i
saw a recent study regarding ah our primary

[kel]: care you know what the average time
a doctor will spend with somebody in primary

[kel]: care six minutes close eight minutes you're
talking about a health care system that's that's

[kel]: food style right get him in get
them out it's almost like hurting cattle so

[kel]: you try to get the quickest diagnosis
possible and move forward with some sort of

[kel]: referal or treatment plan i mean we're
referring this on a previous podcast where we're

[kel]: talking about kind of like quick protocols
and so forth and you know this is

[kel]: so this is really problematic because you're
not going to have that time for co

[kel]: ordination of care identified identification of hypotheses
testing that out and so forth and too

[kel]: many of these doctors don't realize that
the symptoms are the presentations that are being

[kel]: provided especially if they're coming straight out
of a d s m that's got to

[kel]: be a red flag because you can
easily bring that up on the internet if

[kel]: they're just talking about their experience in
terms of like symptoms or behaviours they're feeding

[kel]: right in two the problems that exist
in our health care centers yeah um m

[kel]: do you want to play another one
a d h d popped up so i'm

[kel]: just curious what you think about we've
had a couple of podcasts on this i

[kel]: want to see what this video says
so i'm going to pull this up okay

[kel]: people think having d d just means
you can't focus but it's so much more

[kel]: than that you are nine signs that
you may have a d and we're going

[kel]: to remember them with the acton fast
minds for forget you forget if people have

[kel]: told you where you put things you
need reminders for everyday things or do you

[kel]: mis appointments aids for achieving below potential
do you feel like you should be getting

[kel]: better grades in school or you should
be farther ahead in your career s stands

[kel]: for stuck in a run are you
having a hard time moving ahead in your

[kel]: life are you constantly playing catch up
instead of living life how you want to

[kel]: is for time challenge are you often
late do you underestimate the amount of time

[kel]: things actually take stands for motivationally challenged
procrastinator or do things last minute you wait

[kel]: for the pressure of a dead line
to get things done his as for impulsive

[kel]: do you do things without anticipating the
consequences you let things out in conversation by

[kel]: the way if you're still with me
on this video good job on stands for

[kel]: a novelty are you often bored do
you say yes to new obligations when you're

[kel]: already too busy stands for distractable though
sights sounds thoughts or lower priority activities to

[kel]: at you from what you should be
doing and finally is for scattered are things

[kel]: messy in your personal space is there
chaos in your desk house or car if

[kel]: any of these things sound familiar you
might have a d d highly recommend a

[kel]: ride if you have and of course
follow me for there's that ending follow me

[kel]: for more that was i believe i
have a my wife has a d d

[kel]: i can tell i hate this stuff
i mean i loathe it right because he

[kel]: just he just defined an adolescent a
fat mind well like novelty seeking impulsivity in

[kel]: the terms of like speaking out and
without thinking ahead of consequences kind of distractable

[kel]: or scattered motivationally challenged you know the
concern about this is a number of people

[kel]: believe that their poor achievement or their
struggles are related to some illness hey everybody

[kel]: d h d was made up let
me put it out there a d h

[kel]: d is not a legitimate illness it
was designed for a small portion of people

[kel]: whose brains worked in a certain way
there's a concept called nero diversity you know

[kel]: nero diversity has to be developed as
a concept and an idea in response to

[kel]: these ridiculous trends right your brain has
been adapted over centuries to survive in the

[kel]: environment in which you live right the
brain is developed to be able to attend

[kel]: to relrelative stimuli we live in a
fast paced world we are exposed to constant

[kel]: stimuli why we can drive it's why
we can drive on a highway and make

[kel]: decisions so quickly and automatically there's so
much stimuli that's going on you know when

[kel]: you're driving a car when you grow
up in a world where you're playing video

[kel]: games listening to tik tok texting doing
a number of other things your brain is

[kel]: really being conditioned it's developed to respond
to this multiple stimuli quickly right and so

[kel]: when you don't have at you might
feel bored the brain is kind of craving

[kel]: kind of that opening kind of response
or reaction so we see generate we have

[kel]: a whole generation of kids living in
screens and so forth who are going to

[kel]: have a very difficult time um responding
appropriately and environments that are not stimulating and

[kel]: so that makes makes it a challenge
to be able to potentially even chive achieve

[kel]: at a level that school environment or
maybe your parents have expectations to if you

[kel]: are living in that environment um and
i think it's going to be really challenging

[kel]: motivationally to be able to read history
we're to read english when you're playing these

[kel]: video games that are really emotionally stimulating
and complex and cognitively challenging that could be

[kel]: like first person kind of shooter games
or so forth there's competition it's kind of

[kel]: mimic ing um you know being in
almost like a warfare situation so there's like

[kel]: there's a there's an emotional kind of
component to it then you have these tik

[kel]: tok videos and you have instagram and
it's the constant you know uh rolling and

[kel]: sweeping back and forth which gives you
like a dopamean hit after a dopamenit so

[kel]: your response to that isn't disordered that's
like so important like how you then evolve

[kel]: and develop doesn't mean you're disordered your
brain is actually working exactly as it's supposed

[kel]: to it's adapting to its environment and
so you have clowns like this who's trying

[kel]: to financially benefit from these labels are
diagnosis which he knows nothing about the history

[kel]: he's not a clinician he may have
wrote that book though i don't know i'll

[kel]: look into it but because even in
the comments he's telling people to read the

[kel]: book so he has some type of
connection there and let's go into the business

[kel]: part of this because think of the
three major platforms video sharing you've got youtube

[kel]: have instagram probably facebook but we'll just
focus on instagram and then you have tik

[kel]: tok so youtubeh's been around for a
long time youtube is a search engine that's

[kel]: all it is it's a search engine
even the wy it's structured cynematic you know

[kel]: horizontal people spend much more time investing
in quality producing it to be visually inspiring

[kel]: and also engaging and it's usually a
little bit of a longer content instagram started

[kel]: off as a very visual place people
were post ting images art work so the

[kel]: people that are on instagram are most
mostly strolling scrolling to look at visual inspiration

[kel]: and now they're getting these videos and
they're usually produced a little more high quality

[kel]: tik tok started off and it mostly
was just people taking pictures of themselves with

[kel]: their friends and it's very low quality
is very entry level the amount of time

[kel]: that somebody puts into a video can
be done in less than an hour there

[kel]: just basically holding it up recording themselves
and then putting some text over it so

[kel]: the business bottle behind anything is if
you're not paying for it you are the

[kel]: business model so your eyeballs is what's
generating the revenue for these companies so first

[kel]: think about that you tube has a
business model where it's very easily understood if

[kel]: you produce great content and you're in
their revenue sharing you're getting the views on

[kel]: your vid o they're giving you a
small percentage of that revenue that's generated from

[kel]: your your video when it comes to
instagram and tik tok it's all about selling

[kel]: your own content if you've got a
book if you a product or if you

[kel]: want to be an influencer and work
with brands tik tok has done something different

[kel]: tik tok developed what they call a
creator fund so they're encouraging people to create

[kel]: as much content as possible put it
out there and they have a fund of

[kel]: couple million dollars but they don't tell
you how they're going to disperse that fund

[kel]: so the people that are in that
space believe that that money is going to

[kel]: be distributed based on one thing your
ability to create a video that's going to

[kel]: get a lot of views and go
viral right and then that money might potentially

[kel]: get dispersed to you so people on
tik tok are mostly following a trend looking

[kel]: to see what's getting a lot of
balls what people are being exposed to and

[kel]: then they try and mimic that and
try and step it up maybe creating a

[kel]: video that they think could be a
little bit better so because it's so easy

[kel]: to create content in tiktok i think
what we're seeing is a lot of people

[kel]: in the creative space maybe actors that
may be young and just creative quickly creating

[kel]: something that they believe following what they've
been exposed to and they're seeing a video

[kel]: like this that's getting twenty seven thousand
views or twenty seven thousand hearts and what

[kel]: they want to do is create something
very similar and then you just have this

[kel]: mis amount of content that is created
for one specific topic and everybody's competing trying

[kel]: to be the one that gets exposed
next and goes viral for the hope of

[kel]: maybe getting some money from tiktok that
will support them in the future that's the

[kel]: whole business model of tik tok scary
very easy to get into but that's why

[kel]: they're so much crap on there and
that's all it is i crap yeah well

[kel]: if you in tiktok also when with
with the trends they use sound right yeah

[kel]: that was a big thing to the
trend but in a case like this all

[kel]: right going back to roger this individual
do you believe he is he has everyone's

[kel]: best interest about a d h d
at heart or this you know this is

[kel]: the garbage that puts out there there's
no actual investment in you know caring about

[kel]: people's lives he just wants views he
just wants hits and basically with the texas

[kel]: our shooter fallacy is so like if
you're really good at shooting a pistol and

[kel]: you know you're saying you're going to
hit right dead center those of us that

[kel]: are bad it though we could just
sit there and shoot and at one point

[kel]: there'll be a cluster somewhere off of
the target and i can just circle hey

[kel]: look i've got all these symptoms i've
got all these right i can just circle

[kel]: and believe oh my gosh that's me
i d d i can there and in

[kel]: generalizations that he's using i'm watching this
and i really do believe wow this is

[kel]: what's wrong with me if i'm going
through a tough part of my life or

[kel]: if somebody has said something my grades
are going down i can simply watch this

[kel]: say wow and then that could bring
up a conversation with parents or a therapist

[kel]: well actually i think he's a victim
i'm not going to blame the people who

[kel]: are exposed to this in culture this
is consequence to the medicalization of the human

[kel]: experience that was purposely driven by both
the medical establishment and its alliance with the

[kel]: farmasutical industry there was a period in
time where they tried to identify mental illness

[kel]: is a brain condition similar to any
other medical disorder it would provide credibility to

[kel]: the psychiatric community and medical professionals and
so they developed these quote unquote illnesses and

[kel]: try to push this onto society now
obviously there's a financial benefit by trying to

[kel]: create drugs to treat it we've kind
of a nausium kind of gone over this

[kel]: experts on and so someone like him
actually probably believes that his own creativity his

[kel]: tendency to get bored with certain things
that you know maybe society is telling him

[kel]: he should focus on means that there's
something wrong with him and he's over identifying

[kel]: with that diagnosis now he's smart enough
to be able to try to benefit off

[kel]: that in some way through getting likes
which is another dopamine rush and try to

[kel]: get followers and can create a career
around this so he's financially incentivized to be

[kel]: able to present things in this way
and he is now identifying with this diagnosis

[kel]: now this is my concern i don't
think in it benefits any individual to develop

[kel]: a personal identity around a d s
m diagnosis in fact there's professionals like myself

[kel]: there's researchers who really motivated to actually
throw out the d s m and start

[kel]: over by talking about um m people
who are struggling with their mental health to

[kel]: be on a spectrum or a continuum
and to really limit or decrease the number

[kel]: of kind of conditions or disorders and
try to understand it more from the scientific

[kel]: perspective using actual research and strong science
to understand the range of normal that exists

[kel]: that's really important as there's such a
range of normal the concept of nero diversity

[kel]: i remember in one of my classes
one of the professors said you know what

[kel]: i really want guy who's working at
the nuclear power plant to be a warrior

[kel]: well what does that mean well the
way that that person's mind works as an

[kel]: engineer or something you wanted to be
able to attend to and create to all

[kel]: the possible problems while they're on shift
or they're doing their job to prevent a

[kel]: mask catastrophe right there's this normal aspect
of the way our brains work at this

[kel]: beautiful way allows society all to kind
of connect there's people whose brains work in

[kel]: a way that create there's peoples whose
brain work in a certain way to s

[kel]: problems there's there's engineers there's artists there's
teachers there's helpers right there's people who like

[kel]: to work with their hands that's that
beautiful way that everything integrates in the way

[kel]: that it's supposed to the idea of
some of these mental illnesses are a very

[kel]: restricted and narrow way of looking at
the human experience and then the more you

[kel]: begin to internally criticise or assess or
evaluate or judge whether it's your attention or

[kel]: an emotion or a sensation we know
that's going to intensify itself and become a

[kel]: problematic mental health concern so the way
that you actually think about your own experience

[kel]: matters so that's like what happens when
when you're going to work with somebody as

[kel]: a clinical psychologist we want to be
really really attentive to how that person thinks

[kel]: about their experience this is the problem
with videos like this it helps shape narrative

[kel]: we create a story about what our
life is or about who we are and

[kel]: that shaping of the story then gets
presented to a to health professional or a

[kel]: medical professional and then those people attach
to that story as if it's real and

[kel]: they give a label to it and
they give a diagnosis to it and then

[kel]: they provide a treatment to it so
that's why you know i honestly believe all

[kel]: this kind of works in a way
that has created a system of care at

[kel]: least in the united states and what
i think of throughout the western world that

[kel]: is creating more harm yeah what do
you say to the people that advocate on

[kel]: behalf of social networks that this is
where people can find a community and find

[kel]: out how to get support and find
out how to get the proper treatment because

[kel]: that is kind of the language that
is used that we're we're finally giving people

[kel]: were stigmatizing it and giving people a
place where they can see that there they're

[kel]: not that they're like others and that
there's there's a solution that there's a plan

[kel]: ahead that they can get better there's
a lot of assumptions kind of when you

[kel]: when you make that statement is that
anyone who's going through a difficult time or

[kel]: is vulnerable or young it's this idea
that they can go get treatment as if

[kel]: that's what they need number one there
is an effective treatment number two and that

[kel]: sense of community or attachment to that
as a form of identity is actually healthy

[kel]: and helpful so if we take certain
ideas one is community important yeah it's very

[kel]: important human beings are relational we need
to be socially connected socially connected to screens

[kel]: does not seem to have the same
benefit it's a soto connection right and a

[kel]: lot of times that people are feeling
less alone not because they're actually connected with

[kel]: somebody but because they're watching somebody on
a video or they're texting that does not

[kel]: seem to have the same positive benefit
second point to that is what is actually

[kel]: driving that persons struggle yeah i tend
to believe it's more about loneliness it's about

[kel]: elieving that you're different than others it's
the resulting sadness and anxiety that might come

[kel]: from that isolation it's not knowing how
to find that connection or how to engage

[kel]: in the world in an effective way
to get your needs met i don't like

[kel]: to think about a struggle has an
illness or a disorder because if you think

[kel]: about it as an opportunity or something
that you need to do to address problems

[kel]: in your life it's a point of
transformation so i'm really concerned with that whole

[kel]: medical idea that you know you just
communicated like we're decreasing stigma where we're getting

[kel]: the right help all available evidence would
say first of all our getting steered down

[kel]: the direction be provided a diagnosis and
potentially a drug under the disguise that that's

[kel]: actually going to improve your quality of
life now one other area is the doctor's

[kel]: putting videos on tik tok so it's
almost like you move away from the influence

[kel]: or strategy and you're going to a
professional professional is now engaging in the space

[kel]: and trying to inform and educate people
in a style that mimics what is on

[kel]: those platforms um there are some and
there's one here for by polar disorder a

[kel]: click on that because that's an adult
it's dr tracy marks i don't know i

[kel]: d tracy polar disorder can first show
itself as depression mania or hypo mania there's

[kel]: some signs that your depression may really
be by polar disorder even if you haven't

[kel]: received that diagnosis yet you and your
doctor might want to think about whether or

[kel]: not your illness is really your depression
that you're seeing at the moment is really

[kel]: part of a by polar illness and
why does this matter because the way that

[kel]: we treat by polar disorder is different
than the way that we treat depression so

[kel]: here's five signs that you may really
be on the by polar spectrum number one

[kel]: your first depressive episode occurs before age
twenty number two you don't get better with

[kel]: anti presence and in some cases you
may even get worse number three you have

[kel]: a family member with by polar order
number four you have three or more depressive

[kel]: episodes in a five year time span
number five you take a mood stabilizer and

[kel]: have a full recovery within a month
polaris or all right hold on a second

[kel]: here if anybody knows dr tracy marks
tik tok she might have a national presence

[kel]: somewhere outside of we have to find
her because i find that so completely our

[kel]: response on these two videos up she's
a psychiatrist so he got a hundred and

[kel]: sixty nine thousand follower that is so
complete that was so irresponsible first of all

[kel]: she's you know following right down the
path of what we see too many in

[kel]: psychiatry doing they're talking about things in
terms of illnesses and depressive episodes without strong

[kel]: definition so the idea that you know
you're actually this is young people here that

[kel]: year is your target audience and when
you're talking about the pressive episodes before the

[kel]: age of twenty do you really think
that teenagers know what the pressive episodes are

[kel]: they don't they don't even understand what
the feeling of sadness is anymore they talk

[kel]: about depression in terms of a normal
kind of experience that anyone would go through

[kel]: my depression just meant you were sad
like i hear teen agers consistently talking about

[kel]: their sadness is my depression so if
you count like three four fine this is

[kel]: all made up there's no science around
this bullshit so you just say like well

[kel]: you had three depressive episodes before the
age of twenty well this could be a

[kel]: by polar illness think what it does
to a young person who has no do

[kel]: what she's talking about right so a
bi polar illness by polar illness is traditionally

[kel]: something that was quite serious right it
was a way to categorize the side of

[kel]: mania man is really impairing and there
is you know a response to that man

[kel]: people would often go through a manic
episode in an absolutely crash we don't really

[kel]: understand the etiology of it like why
some people experience it but traditionally like eighty

[kel]: percent before we had drugs like quote
unquote mood stabilizers those who are hospitalized for

[kel]: by pole are close to eighty per
cent of those would have only one episode

[kel]: but anyway you're just like mass producing
this idea to get people to be confused

[kel]: around their own their own emotional experience
and of course she talks about treatments in

[kel]: terms of drugs and so if you
have this depressive illness for teen agers could

[kel]: be just sad and it's balanced maybe
not feeling sad well then you can view

[kel]: your normal experience or just having a
positive mood or having some energy you can

[kel]: then interpret that as hypomenia this concept
of mania on on a spectrum and so

[kel]: i really think that people like dr
tracy marks are harmful and they're perpetrating a

[kel]: lot of these ideas too vulnerable population
and it's why we see these rising rates

[kel]: of by polar diagnosis in young people
when it would have never met that criteria

[kel]: thirty forty fifty years ago is she
benefiting in some way financially from this she's

[kel]: selling books so i mean it's a
platform your eyeballs are basically the whole reason

[kel]: for this platform existing and if you're
going to be on the platform it's to

[kel]: sell a product affiliate yourself with a
brand to try and get them to pay

[kel]: you or to do something so extreme
that you're going to go viral and you're

[kel]: going to get paid through tik tok
so that's all it is so he's creating

[kel]: sixty second video that's cut and edited
in a way that everything else on tik

[kel]: tok is it's fast paced it's going
through a list lists are stupid and digestible

[kel]: and people click on that stuff and
then it directs you back to buy her

[kel]: books on amazon or t shirts and
things like that for you incurring revenue stream

[kel]: right there you know it's interesting when
you talk to some of the old talked

[kel]: to or you just listen to some
of the old psychiatrists who are in the

[kel]: early days of the d s m
development the purpose of that was to have

[kel]: some construct professionals to communicate with each
other the many will recognize that those diagnosis

[kel]: don't have strong scientific validity but yet
just a way to articulate and communicate a

[kel]: cluster of kind of symptoms or reactions
in order to drive a direction and how

[kel]: you help that person boy has that
just gotten com pletely out of control where

[kel]: people believe that these are discreet and
separate medical illnesses with scientific validity and that's

[kel]: the sad thing about this polar disorder
doesn't mean what by polar disorder was fifty

[kel]: years ago it has now developed its
own meaning so anybody who's experiencing it tense

[kel]: emotions in any way or any dis
regulated episode if they are exposed to this

[kel]: propaganda they go to the wrong medical
professional they are going to receive a label

[kel]: by pull or disorder with high frequency
because that's how it's going to be communicated

[kel]: so medical professionals psychological professional professionals everyone
in the mental health field you have to

[kel]: be aware of how these videos are
influencing how your client or patient is going

[kel]: to describe their experience to you yea
because it's the first place a lot of

[kel]: people go to get the information to
self diagnose themselves and then they say all

[kel]: the things that they need to say
that a doctor will say well those are

[kel]: all the things you know i'm checking
my list you've you've hit them all you

[kel]: clearly have this let's get into like
i think the problem and the real problem

[kel]: is our health care system i mean
you have you have a doctor that is

[kel]: probably over a hundred thousand dollars in
debt because of student loans got paid nothing

[kel]: while they're in their residency and then
they're out in the free world in their

[kel]: finally starting to start their own practice
and get reimversed through our health insurance model

[kel]: which doesn't pay doctors anything which is
the reason why they sit down with a

[kel]: client or a patient in a normal
general practitioner for eight minutes because the only

[kel]: way you can generate enough revenue through
the reimbursement from the health care industry is

[kel]: to make sure that you're seeing enough
pay ants or clients in a day to

[kel]: pay your nurses to pay your office
and then it's just not enough so then

[kel]: you have doctors that going to write
a book and they're going hope to sell

[kel]: the book to hopefully make things ends
meet and then they're like well the book

[kel]: needs to sell i need to get
on these platforms and create a one minute

[kel]: video or a thirty second video that's
going to generate enough eyeball to get clicks

[kel]: to possibly sell my book and they're
probably working with production companies that are guiding

[kel]: them on the things that work and
that's why that video looks the way that

[kel]: it does i'm not going to say
that tracy a is an evil person but

[kel]: i think she's fallen into the system
that exists today that is broken and that's

[kel]: our united states national health care system
i don't want to say that she's evil

[kel]: but i do think we to talk
about a high ethical standard and to meet

[kel]: that high ethical standard you have to
be aware of how you're communicating and how

[kel]: how this can be interpreted that's the
idea of exploitation right she's exploiting the platform

[kel]: is exploiting a certain group of people
that are now exposed to this and are

[kel]: vulnerable and are now sell diagnosing which
is causing a whole bunch of problems and

[kel]: from an ethical perspective somebody needs to
take a step back and say at what

[kel]: point am i putting myself over the
welfare of others such a good point and

[kel]: when you think about the medium of
tik tok you're talking about i don't like

[kel]: thirty second one minute clips something as
complex as medical condition or your own mental

[kel]: health being dumb down in a thirty
second or one minute clip for a vulnerable

[kel]: population who is going to be on
that is so incredibly harmful dangerous ignorant throw

[kel]: the word whatever it exists out there
and i want to go back to your

[kel]: comment on the health care system because
you made some really good points i don't

[kel]: know and i haven't studied this but
we know in our region the major hospital

[kel]: networks have bought out all the primary
care centers so you have more and more

[kel]: kind of middle man involved in this
all the way up to the top so

[kel]: the primary care doctors which i think
close to eighty percent of all psychiatric drugs

[kel]: are being prescribed in primary care centers
the real victims of this because they do

[kel]: accrue all that debt going to medical
school and there the income for primary care

[kel]: doctor is not rising at the rate
of other specialists we have obviously increasing and

[kel]: inflation so the money that you do
make isn't going as far here's a lot

[kel]: of different costs that you have to
pay and the model is being driven and

[kel]: it's a sick care model to get
him and get him out and the more

[kel]: people you see the more revenue you're
going to generate and then with the insurance

[kel]: care model now they have their own
separate kind of business model and they're going

[kel]: to make money by denying claims by
denying tests so really it's kind of a

[kel]: center that kind of system that kind
of feeds off of itself in a way

[kel]: that harms the patient and these videos
when i think about it are away for

[kel]: people to get information because they're not
getting that information from sources that are valid

[kel]: if you don't have a relationship with
your own doctor um and you don't have

[kel]: enough time to ask questions and they
don't have enough time to do adequate research

[kel]: there's a lot of information that's being
left out and generations ago your primary care

[kel]: physician knew your entire family know there
was a relationship that was built and you

[kel]: trusted that person and there was hum
connection involved and you made decisions based on

[kel]: the health i'm based on your own
health welfare and that of your family based

[kel]: on the trust that you gave to
that physician and i feel like that's kind

[kel]: of gotten eroded and our current culture
because of this fast food health care model

[kel]: you're not going to develop the relationship
with the physician in fact it's very challenging

[kel]: to get the same person over and
over again if you go into health care

[kel]: centers i mean you might deal with
the physician that day or another person in

[kel]: his or her group or a physician
assistant or a nurse practitioner and they're getting

[kel]: their information from quick notes that they're
putting into a system so it's really become

[kel]: a dumb down um m liquidated kind
of approached to know symptom management and this

[kel]: fits right into it and i don't
know all the solutions because that's kind of

[kel]: above my pay grade but i know
what the problems are and in some ways

[kel]: that people are going to who are
working in the health care system mental health

[kel]: physical health are going to have to
somehow detach the way of currently doing things

[kel]: from and make it more of a
cash kind of system where people who are

[kel]: really interested in their their health can
spend time with somebody and get get the

[kel]: tests that they require to be able
to really evaluate what might be happening with

[kel]: their health and their mental health instead
of going for these quick symptom check list

[kel]: than pills