205. Can Faith and Prayer Really Heal You?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (00:01.622)
Welcome to the radically genuine podcast. am Dr. Roger McFillin. We got one in five Americans on psychiatric medications, probably more. Suicide rates are at historic highs. People are spending years, sometimes decades in therapy with minimal improvement. Addiction treatment has somewhere like at least a 90 % failure rate. Chronic pain affects more people than diabetes, heart disease and cancer combined. Yet most sufferers never find lasting relief.
Our modern healthcare and mental healthcare paradigms are built largely on a materialist atheist worldview that reduces human suffering and disease to the physical and supports a psychotherapy culture that avoids or outright denies spiritual phenomenon as potentially a primary factor in presenting concerns. This model is failing catastrophically.
We've spent decades and billions of dollars trying to medicate and analyze our way out of human suffering. Treating human consciousness is nothing more than electrical impulses and chemical reactions. And what have we received? More diagnosed mental illness, more medication, more despair than ever in recorded human history. By its fruits, we shall know it. Today's guest says this failure isn't just predictable.
It's inevitable when you ignore the spiritual dimensions of human existence. Baby Carmichael, a former business executive, has spent the last two decades proving that many conditions we label as mental illness, chronic pain, and addiction aren't medical problems at all. They're spiritual crises being treated with the wrong tools. He's claimed to have helped over a thousand people find lasting freedom. Often,
within 24 hours, achieving nearly 90 % success rate by addressing what he calls the spiritual roots of their suffering. If that is true, I thought it would be wise we at least investigate. Baby is the author of The Prayer of Freedom, a step-by-step guide to find freedom from misdiagnosed mental illness, chronic pain, addiction, and more, where he outlines the exact processes he uses to achieve these with remarkable results.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (02:23.384)
He's also the founder of Get Radical Faith Ministries, reaching audiences worldwide through live events, podcasts, and video broadcasts. Today we're going to explore the limitations of physical reality and explore that if there might be some invisible forces at play that no amount of therapy and drugs could ever touch. Carmichael, welcome to the Radically Genuine Podcast.
Beatty Carmichael (02:47.051)
Roger, thank you. I am really pleased to be here.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (02:50.902)
I'm actually more excited because we talked a little bit before we hit record here about what we might actually do. But first, I got to get a sense of who you are. Tell me about this shift from what seems to be like corporate America into what you're doing now.
Beatty Carmichael (03:05.835)
Yeah, I had no intention of shifting. I grew up in a medical family. In fact, I come from seven generations of medical doctors and my generation, the eighth, stopped the medicine. I saw how hard my dad worked. He was a critical care surgeon, one the top in his field, and he was always working. I love to travel. So I said, I don't want his lifestyle, but I want his money.
So I went into business, went into marketing where you can create replicable systems that will produce income while you are not always present. And that's what I've been doing for 25 years. First for me personally, and then for clients, we help real estate agents in America generate listings. And about 10 years ago, God shifted me. He started to put on my heart a
a deep urge to want to go pray for people for healing. I'd been watching some, I just stumbled on a show on Netflix and it was a guy walking around with a video camera following a couple of folks and the focus was, what is God doing today, realistically? And these people would go just pray for people in the public marketplace, out on the street, at a mall, at fairs.
And they were getting out of wheelchairs. They were getting off of their crutches. I mean, you could see that something happened in their lives that that in from a biblical standpoint, we would say a miracle happened. I'm not sure I would really claim it as a miracle, but that's kind of the terminology. And it really gripped me, Roger. And it was a trilogy docu-series that this guy did. So I just consumed all of them and I couldn't let it go.
And I recognized over the period of time that the Lord, that God was doing something in my heart. I knew nothing about this. was, I grew up in church, but the church I went to was one of those legalistic churches and, and they didn't believe in any of this. So I was kind of like a fish out of water, not knowing what to do. And then six months afterwards, I got up the courage to try to go pray for someone.
Beatty Carmichael (05:26.581)
And it was more than just one person. said, if I'm going to do this, let's go do it. And on one weekend, I went and found 18 people to pray for it, a gas station, a grocery store, Walmart, and a third of them, all of their pain instantly left from sciatica to rheumatoid and osteoarthritis and RSD and all kinds of things that they could not
moved, they were in constant pain, and it all disappeared. Over the next year, that went from 30 % to 90 % of the people that I prayed for were being, I'm going to use the word healed, and I'll define it for my medical friends since I come from that field. But I would claim that they were 90 % of the people I prayed for were being healed. Glaucoma, deaf ears, sciatica, surgery wounds.
all kinds of knee pain, neck pain, back pain, anxiety, depression, almost anything you name it. And when I use the word healed, what I'm describing is not from a medical perspective, but from a practical perspective. Like one guy, he was suffering with glaucoma in his ear, in his eye and I said, what does it feel like? He said, well, it's scratchy when I open and close my eyelids.
And it looks like you're looking through a windshield that's been parked, a car that's been parked underneath the tree for two years. Okay. So I prayed for him and then his ear, his vision instantly cleared. And now he could see out of his ear, out of his eye, the same level that he could see out of his other one. And there was no more scratchiness. Same person with the deaf ears. He could hear out of one ear, but not the other. And now after praying, he could hear out of his, one that was deaf clearer than he could hear out of the other one.
So when the symptoms cease and it appears that something shifted, that's what I'm talking about being healed. then, and so that's what got me started in this direction. And the more I started to see impact in people's lives, I felt both a responsibility to go pray for people. So I would do this on the weekends, part-time as I'm running my business. And there was a responsibility, but there was an elation because now you're
Beatty Carmichael (07:51.042)
You're helping people, which makes you feel good. And you have, I'll call it a gift to be able to do that. That gives you a responsibility that you owe it to people to go use that for their benefit. And, and over the time I shifted from really being corporate America type person to saying corporate America is empty. I'm helping people make money, which is great, but I can really impact people's lives by helping change their lives.
And so my whole focus shifted in that direction and that's where I am today.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (08:25.335)
Okay. Would you describe yourself as religious?
Beatty Carmichael (08:30.378)
No.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (08:32.815)
Okay, how do you articulate it? How do you understand it?
Beatty Carmichael (08:36.865)
I describe myself as an intimate personal relationship with the creator of the universe, the god of the universe. Some people call a higher power, some people call God, but I have a very close intimate relationship just like I have with my wife, but I wouldn't call myself religious in a marriage. Religious in a marriage means
I'm doing all the marriage things, but there really isn't a relationship. I'm going through the actions of trying to be married, but there's no relationship. So for me, religiosity is where we're following a set of rules and a set of pre-described ways to do things, to try to appeal to or appease to or engage with a God that's somewhere up there. And so that's why I don't consider myself religious.
It's really interesting too, my religion path started in a legalistic Protestant church. Then as God started to do this my life, they rejected it. In fact, this was a mega church here in Alabama, 5,000 members. And when God started to heal through me, through my prayers, I went to my senior pastor and he said, well, know, Satan can heal too. Wow.
So then I go to my next senior pastor and he gave me the same comment. So I kind of left there. My pathway took me from kind of Protestant to charismatic to Catholicism, not part of the Catholic Church, but understanding that the theology that they have, there's a lot of things that I started to recognize that they probably had right that the Protestant didn't. And I then continued to just, I call myself Christian only from the standpoint of
It's kind of, I believe in Christ, but I don't call myself religious. I call myself more as just a, I know my God personally, and I feel very close to him the same as I feel with my wife. It's a relationship. It's not a set of rituals or roped actions type things.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (10:49.569)
Okay, so how did you know that God provided you this ability? I mean, I don't even know how to describe it.
Beatty Carmichael (10:57.183)
Yeah, because he took it away and told me it was a yeah. So this is the interesting part. So imagine so. So this is, you know, I'll go out every weekend, every other weekend or so once or twice a month on the weekends when I was in town and I would just go out to Wal-Mart and pray for people, walk up and ask if they need prayer for anything. And it was a consistent 90 percent anything I prayed for.
including when people were able to respond back to me, they have issues like one lady was starting her real estate business and she asked if I pray, I said, sure, how many sales do you want to make your first year? She said, I want, I'd like to make 12, which is unusual for a first year real estate agent. And so I did, I didn't think anything of it. In fact, I've totally forgot about her. A few years later, I was doing a teaching class for real estate agents. She came up to me and said, you remember you prayed for me? I was thinking, no, I don't.
She said, I made 12 cells that year just like you prayed. So I started to see these prayers that I was asking the Lord to do actually come true. So about three years ago, I was back at Walmart praying 90 % of the people. I went back out about two weeks later and only about 10 % were being healed. I mean, it was like, what happened? I mean, it shocked me. So I went to God in prayer and said, what happened?
He said, I took away your gift of feeling. now I know that he gave it to me. That's how I know he, he told me, said, took it away. And I said, why did you do that? He said, because I want you to understand, learn how to do it by authority with the inference on my end of understanding that to teach other people how to do the same thing on their own, because what I was doing, was a, I'll call it.
I don't know any other word than this, but a supernatural ability that when I pray, God intervened is my assumption. But when I pray, people were being healed, their issues were going away. And now what I've started to do based on what he directed me is developing understanding how prayer works, how these issues in our lives, whether they're anxiety or depression or bipolar disorder,
Beatty Carmichael (13:19.315)
or rheumatoid arthritis or lupus or chronic pain or migraines or allergies and asthma and all kinds of things like that, even relationship conflicts, that from a spiritual side there's actually a root, a very common pattern that once you understand the pattern, then you can address it. The way you address spiritual things is through prayer. The same way that you address a mental thing is through counsel and psychology. The way you address a physical thing healing wise.
is through medicine and therapy. So once you understand where the root is, then you can address it. And as I started to perfect a pattern of how do you address a spiritual root that's creating and manifesting either a mental or physical issue, then you can always, if you turn off that root, its manifestation in the physical or mental side disappears. And that's what he directed me to do. so that's how I know that God did it. He told me.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (14:17.2)
How did you determine the outcomes? How were you able to determine 90 % efficacy or then later only 10 % efficacy?
Beatty Carmichael (14:26.306)
Uh, because I track everything as a marketer, you track everything. You know, marketing is not marketing until you can measure it. So in marketing, you do a split AB test and you change one variable and you can determine the impact of that one variable. So as I would go out and pray for people, I actually kept a record. It used to be in writing and then it was just kind of, um, observationally, how many people did I pray for for healing purposes?
And how many of them did everything disappear? So it was just an ongoing thing that I would track. And when you do that, you recognize real quickly, you you're praying for people, you pray for 10 people and nine get healed. And then you pray for 10 people and one gets healed. It's very obvious something shifted.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (15:16.208)
Is there a specific way that you were guided in order to pray? How does it work?
Beatty Carmichael (15:22.42)
No. Yeah. Yeah. When I went, are you talking about early on with my gift or when I started to do it after he took the gift away?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (15:31.098)
Let's start with the gift because you were provided the gift and you just chose to pray. Was there a specific way that you were instructed to pray?
Beatty Carmichael (15:33.964)
Okay.
Beatty Carmichael (15:39.757)
There was a pattern, but not a specific way. Now, I want to stress this point that the pattern isn't what made it work. Just like in your clinic and your patients, there's probably a pattern in which you engage with them, but it's only a way to kind of get into the conversation, but it's not the source of their solution. Okay? So the pattern that I learned
that I heard from other people, this is kind of a simple way to get into it, is you thank God that He loves this person and that He wants to heal him, assuming I'm talking to a man. And then you pray for healing, Lord, I ask that you heal it, and then you use the authority, God's authority, that flows through you through prayer, and you command it, okay?
So it would be, let's say someone, a real example, this lady, she was riding a scooter in Walmart and I walked up and said, hey, I'm out praying for people. Is there anything I can pray for you on? She said, yes, my knee hurts a lot. I said, really, what's going on? She said, I had knee replacement on Monday. So this is Saturday. So this is five days post-op. And later after having my mother going through a knee replacement, I know how much pain she was in. I said, no worries. Well, let me just pray for you.
Lord, I thank you for how much you love Susan and I ask that you take all this pain away. And in the authority of God, I command all the pain to leave, all the inflammation to go and the need to be healed. I said, check it out. I said, what do mean? I said, well, stand up and check it out. See if there's any shift. She stands up, there's no pain. She walks up and down the aisle. She does deep knee bends, no pain, everything working.
I've actually followed up with her like six months later. I said, Hey, did that pain ever come back? She says, no, it never did. You know, totally. And so what you have is a post-surgery wound, basically, totally gone. But that was the pattern as I've spoken to other people who have a similar type of gifting. They use, they do it differently, but that was just kind of my pattern because it was an easy way to kind of a funnel to get into the process.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (18:02.065)
Okay. It's fascinating. You said you've spoken to other people who have a similar gift, but they do it differently. What's different?
Beatty Carmichael (18:02.242)
Isn't that interesting?
Beatty Carmichael (18:08.566)
Yeah. You know, I find that God seems to never do anything the same way because it's not so much the process of how you do it, but Him. And I'm about to answer your question, but like if you ever read the Bible, Jesus heals a number of people that were blind, but He does it different every time. So one of my friends here in town, his name is Jason, and he also has
similar gift. He still has this gift. I no longer have mine, so I call him when I need a gift. And the way he does it is he actually feels something, I think it's in his right hand, and he will pray for someone and he's feeling his right hand to know how far to pray, what to pray on, and it's just really weird. I mean, it's just totally different. So everyone's got a little different pattern that for whatever reason, God does it differently through.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (19:06.545)
Okay, so you lost your gift. Have you recovered it?
Beatty Carmichael (19:09.59)
Yes. No, but I heal more people now without it than I did with it. And I, I help people heal more dramatic healings than I ever did.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (19:20.985)
Okay, explain.
Beatty Carmichael (19:22.804)
Okay, yeah, I thought that would be a good leading question into this. When I lost my gift, I was asking God, why did you take it away? Because it was helping so many people. For me, I was seeing about a hundred people a year being healed by God. And it was all tied to me. And what I've learned since then is the old adage, if you give a man a fish, you'd
feed him for a day. If you teach him how to fish, you'll feed him for a lifetime. And what I realized is as a gift, it was all on me. My ability, my time, not my ability, but my time and how many people I could personally impact. When he told me to learn to do the same process through authority, then by systematizing the process, anyone can replicate it. So if I go back to the passion guy gave me in business is marketing.
The idea about marketing is if I can create a marketing process that works, then I can replicate that 100 times or 1,000 times and magnify and multiply the impact of it. Does that make sense? OK. So what I've sensed with this is by identifying the pattern of how anyone can pray for healing by turning off these
Low vibration, some people use high vibration, low vibration. Dark energy source versus high energy, okay.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (20:54.127)
Yeah, I want to jump in there because I did tell you the story, pieces of it up before this. I just, my last episode that's released, if anyone wants to go back and hear it, I explained this miraculous process in a therapy session and it was around vibration. So it was changing the internal vibration energy that I was emitting or creating within. So if a low vibration would be in fear, shame, depression, whatever that may be.
I was able to shift that to a place I could only describe as love. And I got electricity buzzing through my body. And I think that was emitting into my field. So when you start using those words, I need you to explain what they mean to you. And if it's any similar to what happened to me.
Beatty Carmichael (21:33.442)
Yep.
Beatty Carmichael (21:43.147)
Okay, totally similar. So this is, I'll have to give, share a personal testimony on this of what God has been doing in my life. And this will resonate with some people on your show. Growing up in the Protestant church, it was our understanding that anyone that didn't believe the way we believed was not going to heaven, right?
And then I know the Catholic Church believes that the Protestants are not Protestants, they're Protestants.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (22:21.649)
Yeah, I'm sorry. I just want to correct for my audience. Actually, yes, it's the as I'm recording, it's the last episode that's on there. But by the time this one is released, there'll be some episodes prior to this. So it's the episode where it changed my the session that changed everything I understand about healing. So go back and listen to that. I'm sorry, go right. Go ahead.
Beatty Carmichael (22:42.006)
Okay, no, perfect, I'm glad you did. And then you have the spiritual but not religious. In the Protestant church, we call them new age, Crystals, vibration, energy, okay, those type of things. And so from the Protestant church, I said, they got it all wrong. But what's interesting is as I've grown in my relationship with God,
and grown away from a doctrinal. I don't want to say I've grown away from doctrinal, which is a biblical term, religious term, but I've grown away from the religiosity of the church. And what I've started to recognize, Roger, is the things that the Bible speaks of as sin and holiness is the same thing that is sin would be dark energy or low vibration.
and holiness, which is measured by love, is the light energy and the high vibration. So we're using all the same, we're focused on the same points, we're just using different words to describe it because that's our understanding of how to describe it. Does that make sense so far? Okay. So the way this process of healing by authority works and praying by addressing it,
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (23:58.459)
Yes.
Beatty Carmichael (24:09.543)
is you have to understand. So if you go back while I reject the religiosity of the church, I do believe that the Bible and its ancient text carry a lot of truth, especially on the spiritual side of things. And I've been able to test and measure and prove accurate many of spiritual truths. And one of the truths that you see throughout the Bible text from the Old Testament through the New Testament
is this concept of, I'll use the biblical terms and then I'll use it non-biblically, is the concept of sin creates consequence. And then confessing that sin is wrong creates the consequence disappearing. Okay? If I were to use a non-biblical term, it would be when God creates us, He places in us a conscience. And that conscience,
is where he writes his standards of right and wrong, good and bad. And this is why Roger, if I've never been to church, no one ever told me what's right or wrong, and I do something bad against someone, I feel guilty. And no one told me that I was guilty, but my conscience told me I was. And if I did something good for someone out of love, I feel elation and I feel like on cloud nine, so to speak. Does this make sense so far?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (25:34.651)
Yes.
Beatty Carmichael (25:34.945)
Okay, so what that shows is that there's something built into us from a spiritual side that gives us a guidance. When we violate God's standard by violating our conscience, we do something on the negative side against people, let's Then what that does is it opens up a spiritual door for an issue to come in our my life. And I like to use the word torment, whether it's anxiety,
or depression, or chronic pain, relationship conflicts, or whatever it is, because they all take away our quality of life. And when we reverse whatever it was that we did wrong, and we basically say, God, I'm sorry, I confess I was wrong, then we can shut that door and get rid of the torment. It's the same thing we do with our children. And if you take the picture that this creator God
loves us. If he created us, he loves us. It's just like when we create our children and have babies and raise them up, we love them. And as a father, when my child does something wrong, I will discipline him, make his life or her life uncomfortable. I'll take away a privilege. I'll put them in timeout. I'll spank their little bottom, whatever it is. And then when they come and say, Daddy, I'm sorry I was wrong, then I'll love on him.
and I take away the discipline. Does that make sense? Conceptually, okay. That's what the entire prayer freedom is based on. And let me, you mentioned in the introduction that the prayer freedom is a step-by-step guide for the people who are listening. The book is called The Prayer Freedom. You can find it on the website above me if you are watching the prayerfreedombook.com. That's the best place to go. And the first part is simply, how does this work spiritually?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (27:06.054)
Yes.
Beatty Carmichael (27:31.597)
What are the spiritual laws that are at play and how does it manifest into our life? And then there's one chapter, chapter 12, that is a worksheet that allows you to, I've identified 18 categories where we end up violating God's and by making a list of things that come to mind in those 18 categories, then you can turn them off and
get the healing and restoration. And let me share on this and then I'll bounce it back to you. I teach at an addiction recovery center. It's one of the largest ones in America. They house over 500 women. My class is the favorite. You're asking about how do you measure? I wanna share a different measurement I did in this class. As God told me to write this book and outline the step-by-step process of how do you pray to him in a way
that it actually gets rid of these issues in your life. I was teaching three classes at the center at that time and I said, I want to statistically measure how successful is this? Where there's no influence for me. So I gave the ladies chapter 12, where they would make a list of the things in their life that they've done over the years or that they remember. And then the other, the second part of chapter 12 is how do you pray through that list?
to turn off these negative things. There's different ways to do it that I've learned. So in my three classes, I had each of them make a list of every issue that was going on in their life. And I want to show you for your, I'll read this for the audio listeners, but for the visual listeners, visual watchers, this is an actual, I call it an issue grid. This is a lady named Bernice. And on this first column here is the things that she was listing.
And on the next column where you see all the 10s, those were the things, the intensity. for the audio listeners, let me just read this out because this is the almost all of these addicts when you're dealing with someone who has been dealing with addiction for decades, you have a lot of issues, not just addictions. And for her, she had a heaviness in her life. And on a scale of zero to 10, it was a 10. She had darkness in her mind, bipolar type one and two.
Beatty Carmichael (29:52.931)
depression, anxiety, voices in her head, arthritis in her back, arthritis in her hip, knee pain, restless leg syndrome, COPD, neuropathy, and she was addicted to pornography and cigarettes. All of those, she's listed as a 10. She was one of the ones that failed my process because in 30 days, all those issues had only gone down from a 10 to a two and a three on average.
Okay. So now that's tremendous success for anyone in any sort of recovery that your addiction urges gone down to a two, your darkness, your heaviness, your depression, your bipolar has gone down to a two. But when I measured this, I had everyone list at the beginning, what their rating of those issues were. And then 30 days later, I gave them 30 days to go through this process. had them list rated again.
87 % of the people, when they rated it again, it had all gone to a zero. That's why I say she failed it because it didn't go to zero. It only went down, but not out. So what this is, is something that on their own, they were turning these things off and their addiction urges were gone. A depression, anxiety, their chronic pain, all kinds of things disappeared.
And what this is starting to show me, Roger, is many of the things, I don't want to say this is holistic in everything we deal with the spiritual. That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that I'm statistically 87 % when I measured it, but generally speaking, about 90 % of everyone going through this process, they're seeing things melt out of their lives because when you deal with things in our life from a spiritual standpoint,
many of the things we deal with actually have a spiritual root and if you can address the root you can get rid of the problem.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (31:49.468)
Okay. I guess we should kind of go through these steps. I'm everyone listening and they want to know what you're actually doing and how we can learn it ourselves.
Beatty Carmichael (32:00.589)
Perfect, so in a very simplistic sense, there are three steps. Number one, ask God, does my issue have a spiritual root? And if so, tell me what it is. In biblical terms, that means, is there a sin that I committed or someone that I need to forgive that's tied to it? In the non-biblical terms, is there something I did that
is dark energy or low vibration. so, but the Bible uses the term sin. Then, step number two is you confess it as wrong. There are different ways to confess depending on what it is. And this is where chapter 12, the worksheet really breaks it out and makes it super easy. And then number three, you ask God to remove that issue from your life. And then you
in his authority, you say, I command that issue to leave. OK, that's a simpler thing, simplistic thing. Can I read one story? Since you deal with mental health, this is one of the ladies in my class, and this comes from my book. But she wrote this is her her story. Her name is Ashlyn. She just the background on her is she was raped, my understanding.
by her dad and uncle at six and seven years old and she had super high anxiety and this is her story I suffered from crippling anxiety PTSD and mental illness ever since Experiencing horrific trauma from men when I was a little girl. It left me constantly afraid every morning I would wake up terrified absolutely sure something bad was going to happen
My mind never stopped racing. was 24-7. Doctors had me on a heavy cocktail of medications just to function. 400 milligrams of Seroquel, plus Buspiron, Zoloft, and Sleep Meds. I'd been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, borderline personality disorder, and severe anxiety. I honestly believed I'd be on medication for the rest of my life. Then I went through the prayer of freedom. The next morning I woke up and everything was different.
Beatty Carmichael (34:25.664)
I wasn't afraid anymore. I wasn't terrified. For the first time since childhood, I felt peace. I felt calm. When I met with my psychiatrist, she looked at me and said, if you feel this good, you don't need the meds. So I stopped and I haven't used them since. That was over six months ago. I can't describe what it's like to wake up and not feel afraid, to not need medication just to get through the day. I'm free and I never thought I would be. And she'd been under
You see, this is what's interesting. My father-in-law, who's now been deceased for 20 years, he was an internal medicine doctor for 50 years. And he would always tell his patients that healthcare and being healthy is a stool of three legs, mental, physical, and spiritual. But what's happened is our healthcare system has gone atheistic and removed the spiritual.
And if therefore, if your issue is spiritual, but you only address mental and physical, you'll never get rid of it. And that's what happened with Ashlyn. Only addressing the mental and physical, the chemical and that type of stuff. But once she addressed it spiritually, it all disappeared.
So we talked before the show about doing a role play and demonstrating this. Could we?
go do something like that right now.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (35:51.154)
Yeah, I'd love to.
Beatty Carmichael (35:52.661)
Okay, great. So you're mentioning that you have anxiety. Right now, on a scale of zero to 10, 10 being worst, and zero being it's gone. What level would you give it right now on the show?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (35:59.103)
Yeah, right now.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (36:11.444)
I'm gonna say, and it's interesting that I'm recording this today, because I'm typically not an anxious person. So there just are some things right now going on. And I'm going to say it's a seven. And, you know, being a psychologist and doing what I do, I make a lot of room for uncomfortable emotions. So there's a level of acceptance and allowance. So like my seven,
Beatty Carmichael (36:25.002)
Okay, perfect.
Beatty Carmichael (36:33.89)
Yeah, I get it.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (36:40.942)
is it's high for me, but it, you know, for somebody else, it might be different. but there's room for that discomfort right now.
Beatty Carmichael (36:49.804)
Yeah. And the only reason to label it number-wise is simply to then know how far it shifted if it shifts. And it's very subjective. And how long have you been dealing with this, either as it's ebbing and flowing? When did it start?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (37:11.86)
Probably about two weeks.
Beatty Carmichael (37:13.866)
Okay, right, so in almost every case, anxiety or any of these issues have a spiritual root. And the key is to get rid of the spiritual root. That spiritual root is going to be something that you did that violated God's standard. Something you did against someone, or something that you did in your own heart, like by not forgiving someone who did something against you, okay? So what I'm going to do is I'm going to lead you into just a general prayer.
using the word God because most people believe in a God and just pray this out loud for right now. Dear God.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (37:53.406)
Dear God.
Beatty Carmichael (37:54.932)
I want to get rid of my anxiety.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (37:58.015)
I want to get rid of my anxiety.
Beatty Carmichael (38:01.203)
If there is a spiritual root to it,
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (38:05.35)
if there is a spiritual root to it.
Beatty Carmichael (38:08.012)
Bring it to my mind now.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (38:10.878)
Bring it to me now.
Beatty Carmichael (38:13.698)
And I'm now I'm going to use the biblical term because it's the most descriptive any sin I need to confess
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (38:22.108)
Any sin I need to confess.
Beatty Carmichael (38:25.024)
or any person I need to forgive.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (38:27.484)
or any person I need to forgive.
Beatty Carmichael (38:30.082)
Okay, great. Now, does anything come across your mind?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (38:34.291)
Yes.
Beatty Carmichael (38:36.032)
Okay, and let me guess, did it happen about two or three weeks ago?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (38:41.203)
Yes.
Beatty Carmichael (38:42.484)
Okay, so you'll see a correlation, right? That the thing that usually is the source of this frequently happens about the time that began. All right, now what I'm going to do is I want to have you turn your mic off in just a moment because we don't want to air any dirty laundry. Okay, but I'm going to give you the words to use. If it's something you did, then it's I.
confess I was wrong. The biblical term, which is a short version, I repent a blank. Okay. If you did it to or against someone else, then use their name like I repent a blank against blank. If something happened to you, like you witness a car accident, then what comes across your mind is your response. Fear, extreme fear. Maybe the car was about to hit you.
And the reason that's against God's standard is because as you mentioned, Prisho, perfect, I think you mentioned this, perfect love cast out fear. And so when we operate outside of that perfect love, then that is technically against God's standard because God's standard is he's perfect love. If it's something that, if it's someone that hurts you and you need to forgive them, then the word is I forgive blind.
That's all it is. So it's, repent to blank, I forgive blank. So now with your microphone off, just speak it out, whatever's come to mind.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (40:15.911)
Is this something that can be said internally? Because it's to God?
Beatty Carmichael (40:19.139)
It has to be spoken out loud because the rest of this and we can go into it. This stuff that happens in our lives frequently is a third party, a spiritual entity that can hear your words, but not hear your voice, hear your thoughts. So the key is that that third party knows that their legal right, which is where you get the term authority, that their legal right is broken and they no longer have a right to be there.
We can dig into that after this because it gets really, it's an interesting thing and understanding how the spiritual realm works. But for this purpose, it needs to be spoken out. It can be whispered.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (40:57.621)
Okay, yeah, so let me ask a couple questions. First, the act of confession in the Catholic Church. This is different. How is this different? Okay.
Beatty Carmichael (41:01.432)
Okay.
Beatty Carmichael (41:06.263)
This is different.
slightly different. It's not as religious, maybe, but it's based on the same thing. James 5 16 says, confess your sins dot dot dot, and you shall be healed. The Catholic healing mass is all about confession. I was talking to a Catholic priest who does confession and deliverance, and he says, I really don't do deliverance. I just help people make good confession. Good confession.
is confessing that sin that is at the root of your problem. So from that standpoint, this would be very similar to the Catholic Church. I have to admit, I don't know confession, the process as much to speak clearly, but I do think that this is much simpler. It's just straightforward and
It's based on the same biblical principles as what's happening in the Catholic Church. But you're just going to say, I repent a blank or I forgive blank, and no emotion.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (42:11.445)
Okay, another question because of course we come across many people who are anxious because they worry. Not because of something that has occurred, but because of what the mind will create about possibilities.
Beatty Carmichael (42:18.061)
Yes.
Beatty Carmichael (42:25.039)
Mm So with that, a lot of that actually comes from that I've I've personally experienced. So let me back up. This is now a good time to sort of explain the mechanics of how this works.
When we open the spiritual door in our life by violating God's standard, a spiritual entity, a dark energy spirit or a low vibration entity, however you want to use the term, comes in. And its purpose is it amplifies that issue. Okay. So there's a passage in the Bible. It's in Ephesians 6-12. And the living Bible version says,
And this is where I'm talking about the spiritual laws are very accurate. It says that we don't wrestle against people of flesh and blood, but against persons without a body. So if you look at who we are in human form, we are a soul and we are a body. There's also spirit, but I'm just going to talk about the soul and body for now. The soul is who we are. It's our mind, will, emotions, personality, and it's our memory. Our body is this physical thing that we operate in. Okay.
So the vast majority of who we are is actually in the spiritual realm. That's our person. So a person without a body is like a soul without a physical body. In the Catholic Church, we think of the saints. They're still living. Mother, Mary, Jesus, John, Peter, and Matthew, and all the other great saints of the Catholic Church, but they don't have a body.
but the saints are still alive because their souls are still there. So if taking that same concept, they're also evil entities, dark energy entities, if we call it, that also operate like souls without a body, a person without a body. And so when we open the door by violating God's standard, then one of those issues, one of those, I call them spirits. I'm just going to keep using the word spirit.
Beatty Carmichael (44:35.393)
our dark energy spirit comes in and its legal right, since we got scared, is to keep us afraid. And now it's going to make us anxious on almost anything. And it doesn't matter what it is, its whole purpose is to make us fearful and anxious. And the more we give into it, the stronger it becomes. And the stronger it becomes, the more we continue to give in and eventually it consumes us. This is what happens with the addictions.
as it starts a little bit and it starts to control them to the point that they have, they can't control and they can't get rid of it because it's a spiritual entity that's now strong. My daughter had the same thing happen. She was having night terrors for 20 years, two, three times a night a week and would never sleep with the lights off, always wanted people in a room, just really afraid. And she said, dad, will you help me get rid of my night terrors? And I said, sure, it's real easy.
When was the first time you remember getting afraid? She said it was about three or four years old watching Psych, which is a TV series with my cousin, Victoria. So I said, great, let's just, let's repent to that. And anytime there's another person involved, sometimes there's a spiritual connection, negative spiritual connection that can also be the source. So what I did with her is I said,
I guided her to say, God, I repent of being afraid, watching Psych, and I break all negative spiritual connections with my cousin, Victoria. And now, spirit of fear, I command you to leave me. That was it. She's never had those night terrors ever since.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (46:24.15)
Can I ask you some more questions? Okay. I've done some podcast episodes on post-material science and one of, one of those include, the understanding of past lives that our souls incarnate into the body more than one time. And we intersect that with science because there are some labs that been able to actually study this, meaning like young children being able to discuss their past lives.
Beatty Carmichael (46:25.953)
Absolutely.
Beatty Carmichael (46:32.237)
Okay.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (46:52.926)
and being able to confirm it, some being able to speak ancient languages, things of that nature, Scientifically accurate. So is it possible that a person can be consumed by fear or whatever we label mental illness due to experiences of our soul in a previous lifetime?
Beatty Carmichael (47:14.477)
You know, before reading Many Lives, Many Masters, I'm assuming you've read that, I was going to say no. But after reading it, it's quite compelling that maybe the answer is yes. I do believe that we carry, there's a passage in the ancient biblical text that talks about how things in past generations will affect us. And it says,
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (47:19.134)
I have, yes.
Beatty Carmichael (47:43.328)
that the iniquities of the fathers, which means mother and father, because that was a male dominant. So when they say fathers are meaning both mom and dad, the iniquities of fathers will be visited to the third and fourth generations. And one of the things I find in freeing people from addictions is 80 to 90 % of those addictions are actually generational. So you have to break that generational issue. And
So I've always, I've seen that in my work directly. I've never really experienced the past lives, but I've talked on several shows where people go back into the past lives to help people get healed with their issues today. And there may be some congruence between what I see as these generational things and what they're doing in the past lives things, but I don't reject it. I'm not.
sure how to handle it other than I think it exists.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (48:47.358)
So we still are repenting or forgiving, and we are commanding God's ability to be able to remove that whatever we're talking about fear, pain from our bodies is a thwart.
Beatty Carmichael (49:00.355)
We're using his authority, right, we're using his authority. We're not commanding God, this is the key, right? We can't command God, but we can walk in his authority to command this thing out.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (49:12.136)
Okay. Are you aware of the science on like the placebo and nocebo effects, the power of consciousness and tension of things of that nature?
Beatty Carmichael (49:20.119)
yes. In fact, I was doing a call and someone was asking something on that. I'm aware from it from afar, but this has nothing to do with that. because medically, even people who are, you can test things medically. like I'll give you a example. one of the ladies at the addiction recovery center had been dealing with rheumatoid arthritis for about 20 years. And she asked if I could help her. said, sure.
Easy. And as I'm guiding her in prayer, God prompted me on this one and I asked her, do you have unforgiveness for anyone? She said, yes. I said, who is it? She says, my sister. About 20 years ago, she did something against our mother and I've never forgiven her. I said, would you be willing to forgive her now? She said, yes. So watch how easy it is. Forgiveness is nothing but a choice. You don't have to well up an emotion to do it. It's simply a statement. So I led her to say, God, I forgive.
my sister for what she did against our mom. That's a great. And then in God's name, I command arthritis to leave. Within the hour, all of her rheumatoid arthritis pain had disappeared. So we could say that could be something of the power of the brain. But she went back to the doctor four weeks later. He was surprised because he's never seen it go away. So he retested her and said that her body shows no arthritis in her body and
no signs of ever having had arthritis in her body. So something shifted physically in her body that the tests no longer show the evidence of rheumatoid arthritis. And that cannot happen simply from how you think. There's something that happened beyond just the conscious brain.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (51:11.295)
Yeah, okay.
Beatty Carmichael (51:12.364)
And I see that happen quite frequently, actually. Like, I'll give just one week ago today, I was over in Spain and this guy was constantly going, what did you say? What did you hear? And his hearing aid, the battery gone dead and he could barely hear and he's totally deaf in his left ear. And I felt God wanting to heal him. So I guided him through the same process I'm doing with you and started clicking.
and he could now hear out of his left ear better than the right ear. So we continue to go through this process and his hearing in both ears within about 20 minutes totally came back to normal. He had a large explosion about 10 years ago that blew his eardrums out. He's been deaf in his left ear ever since and mostly deaf in his right. So the power of the conscious brain could not restore what was a physical destruction of the eardrum.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (52:10.327)
Okay, so let me ask you another question about repentance and forgiveness. And you're saying it has to be stated out loud to a third party, correct?
Beatty Carmichael (52:14.328)
Okay.
Beatty Carmichael (52:18.486)
Well, so we're stating it out loud because frequently not all times I've identified there like three types of these dark energy spirits that operate. And one for certain has to hear it. The other ones I'm not sure about.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (52:33.737)
Okay, does it have to be the person that you might have that you need to forgive or receive forgiveness from?
Beatty Carmichael (52:40.322)
No, no, does not have to be. It's simply spoken out loud as part of your prayer, but you do not have to communicate it to anyone else.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (52:51.583)
Okay. All right. So we were back to I was going to do this myself, right? Okay, so
Beatty Carmichael (53:00.652)
And just to confirm, your anxiety is still about a seven.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (53:04.329)
Yes. Actually, it's a little bit lower.
Beatty Carmichael (53:05.484)
Okay, perfect.
Yeah, I figured it normally lows once you start to kind of address these things, just mentally processing it.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (53:13.757)
Yeah, yeah. So I'm gonna mute the mic here and move this one away.
Beatty Carmichael (53:17.036)
All right, mute your mic and then just say, repent of blank or I forgive blank.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (53:39.936)
Okay, I'm back.
Beatty Carmichael (53:41.283)
Okay, perfect. And did any of that include another person? Okay, great. So now, because a negative spiritual connection could exist, which I explained in my book and my process handles it, we're going to cover that right now. And so just speak this out loud. And I break all negative spiritual connections with...
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (53:44.79)
Yes.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (54:03.734)
and I break all negative spiritual connections with.
Beatty Carmichael (54:07.916)
and release all judgments against.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (54:10.432)
and release all judgments against.
Beatty Carmichael (54:13.378)
those people I mentioned.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (54:15.16)
those people I mentioned.
Beatty Carmichael (54:16.844)
Okay, so now that's step two, now we move to step three. And now God, I ask you take my anxiety away.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (54:23.956)
Now God I ask that you take my anxiety away.
Beatty Carmichael (54:27.734)
and then the name and authority of God.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (54:31.21)
and in the name and authority of God.
Beatty Carmichael (54:34.132)
Anxiety, command you to leave me now.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (54:37.236)
Anxiety, I command you to leave me now.
Beatty Carmichael (54:41.284)
All right, now recalibrate. was a seven originally. What is it now?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (54:49.673)
form.
Beatty Carmichael (54:50.98)
Perfect, okay great. So what I find is usually it goes down, but not all the way, so all we do is we're gonna repeat step three. God, thank you for reducing it to a four.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (55:02.69)
God thank you for reducing it to a four.
Beatty Carmichael (55:05.666)
I ask that you take it all the way out.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (55:07.968)
I ask that you take it all the way up.
Beatty Carmichael (55:10.976)
Anxiety? Get out now.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (55:13.172)
anxiety get out now now god's talking to me now
Beatty Carmichael (55:15.566)
Go to zero.
Okay, tell me what he says.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (55:21.27)
He says, there are some things I need to address and the anxiety is there for you.
Beatty Carmichael (55:28.036)
Perfect, okay. So ask him, what things do I need to address?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (55:33.9)
What things do I need to address?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (55:40.664)
clear.
Beatty Carmichael (55:41.922)
Okay, I don't need you to share it, but is it something you did or another person you need to forgive? Okay, turn off your mic, block your video and repeat number two. I repent a blank, I forgive blank.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (55:48.972)
Yes.
Beatty Carmichael (56:16.197)
Okay, perfect. Now, I'm going to flip the tables on you. I'm now going to ask you questions for the audience purpose. When God spoke to you, how did you know He spoke and how did it come out in words or in the thought or what was the process?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (56:30.006)
It's a knowing. It's clear. It's direct. It's not necessarily in words. mean, I take that energy and I turn it back into words. okay. All right.
Beatty Carmichael (56:31.727)
Okay.
Beatty Carmichael (56:41.795)
Yeah, no, I totally get it. Yeah, yeah, it's in your heart. You know what's going on and you're able to convert it into your own language. That's so cool. And so for our listeners out there, this is something I want you to understand. By the way, what I'm doing with Roger right now is a demonstration for this. For some things, it's not permanent. Okay. For this, an anxiety, I believe it will be. But I don't want you to take this as the process of the prayer freedom.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (56:49.271)
Yes.
Beatty Carmichael (57:11.445)
If you've got things going on in your life, the thing to truly get free of all of it, and things that you don't even know that are tied to these things, is to go through the process in the book, the Prayer Freedom book. It's one chapter. For most people, it's less than an hour. Okay? And it will just, it's a step by step thing. You can't mess it up. Because if you can paint by numbers, you can get freedom from whatever's going on in your
So now back to this on that second thing you just did Roger did any of that include another person Okay, great. So now we're going to repeat to be and I Break all negative spiritual connections with
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (57:49.122)
Yes.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (57:59.683)
and I break all negative spiritual connections with.
Beatty Carmichael (58:03.661)
and release all judgments against.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (58:06.016)
and release all judgments against.
Beatty Carmichael (58:10.457)
those people I just mentioned.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (58:12.898)
those people I just mentioned.
Beatty Carmichael (58:16.301)
And now in the authority of God.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (58:19.062)
and now in the authority of God.
Beatty Carmichael (58:22.443)
Anxiety, command you to leave me.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (58:25.268)
Anxiety, I command you to leave me.
Beatty Carmichael (58:28.965)
Go to a zero now.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (58:31.628)
Go to a zero now.
Beatty Carmichael (58:36.323)
Now recalibrate, what number do you feel it, if any?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (58:50.026)
It remains on the lower end.
Beatty Carmichael (58:52.581)
Okay, 0.5, 1, 1.5, what would you give it?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (58:54.284)
but it's certainly.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (58:59.764)
It's in the two to four range. Like it's present, it's not a zero, but there's a resistance to making it a zero because I actually don't want it to be a zero.
Beatty Carmichael (59:02.349)
Okay, perfect, okay. Yeah.
Beatty Carmichael (59:15.609)
And why not? But this is a good, a lot of people don't want to lose what they've got because it's been a part of them. So why do you not want it to be a zero?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (59:28.076)
because I don't judge it to be negative. I don't judge it as something I need to rid myself of. I see it, I view it as a guide.
Beatty Carmichael (59:37.024)
and-
Beatty Carmichael (59:41.463)
Okay. Interesting.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (59:43.68)
It's yes, it's there for me. It's not inflicting me. It's there as a very important message in order to use it in a way to be able to solve the problems that exist before me.
Beatty Carmichael (01:00:02.244)
OK, so let me offer some perspective in case this makes an impact for you.
I totally get that it's helpful for you as a guide. And I think many of these things are helpful, that God uses them to guide us in life and therefore that's the guide. I use discipline with my children as a guide to guide them how to correct what they do to grow up as good adults that can operate and function in life really well.
while they're guides, they're guiding to correct their attitude and behavior. Okay, once their attitude and behavior is corrected, I don't need that discipline in their life anymore. When I write my book, when I wrote it, The Prayer of Freedom, because there so many of these different types of spiritual entities, they're not all one type. Some are amplifiers. Some strictly bring infirmity like pain or
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:00:49.774)
Yes.
Beatty Carmichael (01:01:12.645)
glaucoma, and others actually bring destructive tendencies, addiction.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:01:20.087)
getting another clear message because I'm very centered right now. and I think just by us, opening and allowing God to be present here, I'm experiencing like similar messages that I do at other times. And I'm, being asked to bless the anxiety that I'm feeling.
Beatty Carmichael (01:01:46.511)
Great. Let's do it.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:01:52.536)
I am grateful for the blessings that's been provided to me right now. The emotions that I'm experiencing with in my body are there to serve me to get me back on my path. They are beautiful gifts and signals that I strayed off that path. Thank you, God, for that blessing.
Beatty Carmichael (01:02:18.725)
And let me guide you on, let's ask God another question. Are you ready?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:02:21.71)
My anxiety went, that has brought peace.
Beatty Carmichael (01:02:26.629)
and now the anxiety is gone.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:02:28.6)
Now the anxiety is gone.
Beatty Carmichael (01:02:30.245)
Isn't that amazing? So let me show you, let me dissect what just happened, not only for you to clarify and crystallize, but for the audience. All we did in big scheme of things, we asked God, is the source of my problem? And if it was negative, we confessed it is wrong. And when he told you to bless it, we did that. In other words, we're just obeying God.
And he is the one guiding the entire process. It's not our prayer. It's not how well I pray or how bad I pray. It's not a gift. God is a loving God. He made all of us. It doesn't matter if you're Jew or Christian or Muslim or Hindu or atheist or agnostic. Or even if you hate God right now, he still loves you. And he's made a way to have that freedom and peace in your life. You just have to ask him, what do I do to get there?
How do I get this out of my life and how do I get that? And the whole concept of the prayer of freedom and that chapter 12 I was talking about, which is a step-by-step process, Roger, is asking God in these 18 different categories to remind you of the things over your life or even in your generational lives, like what's happening with mom or dad or grandparents, to put these things where
We are receiving discipline if we use that as guidance. These things in our lives are trying to guide us to confess this to get free. And then we just follow God's guidance on that. That's really all this is all about.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:04:16.346)
Can I explain to what's happening internally?
Beatty Carmichael (01:04:19.524)
Yes, please.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:04:21.752)
And we talked about this, about vibration and frequency. So I think when I was at that seven, I could say I was at a lower vibrational state more in the fear realm. And now my body is buzzing again. I don't know if you know that experience. It almost feels like you're near a high voltage. Yeah. And, I feel that buzzing in my body, like as after the like blessing of it and.
Beatty Carmichael (01:04:32.185)
Yes.
Beatty Carmichael (01:04:37.305)
Yes.
Beatty Carmichael (01:04:41.613)
It's a yeah, yeah, yeah, I see it all the time.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:04:52.81)
you know, seeking that higher authority, it's like my shift internally has increased my frequency to more of a loving and forgiving state.
Beatty Carmichael (01:05:03.385)
Yes.
Beatty Carmichael (01:05:08.421)
So for those people who've gone to church and are more religious than simply spiritual, let me translate what I would say from a church perspective. The Holy Spirit has come upon you. And when the Holy Spirit comes upon you, you'll feel it in either warmth or cold or tingling, that buzzyness. It manifests different ways, but there's always this huge level of peace and calm.
I see it frequently when I see it the most actually Roger is when there is physical restoration going on in someone's body. Like if they have a torn ligament and they feel tingling or they have one case and it was an ovarian cyst or some other case it was a busted hip. But anytime there's a tingling going on and a lot of times that tingling will move across the body and I'll ask the person will
like moves in your legs and say, well, do you have anything going on your legs? Yeah, I had neuropathy, but it's gone. So that tingling, that heat, that cold, just different manifestations of what in the Bible terms, they would call the Holy Spirit. And the non-biblical terms, it's the, you know, that higher frequency that focus towards love.
It's all the same stuff. We just use different words, but it's the same entity.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:06:39.224)
And where I am in my life right now is I'm exploring many aspects about this. I'm reading books on how people have been able to heal themselves, or really it's about an alignment with God. And one of the things I think are fairly consistent, and there's a large medical literature that exists in this too, in psych neuroimmunology, is that the body is a self-healing mechanism when it is in alignment with
Beatty Carmichael (01:06:51.13)
Yeah.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:07:08.59)
God, when it is in alignment with that higher frequency, a state of peace, and we call with intention that we can actually, our body will heal. It's aligned with what is natural in the natural order. But when we're in states of fear, when we're in toxic environments, or the vessel in which we're in the body is exposed to such toxicity, right, it's not, it's going to be in a disease state.
Now, there also could be some divine manifestation for that as well. I think we choose to enter into our lives to experience challenges and hardships because that can actually bring us closer to God or that can allow us to develop empathy or to learn or to evolve. So I'm not in judgment of those experiences either. I just believe we have the capacity, if it is part of our divine plan.
to heal and the paradigm in which we approach physical and mental health is completely wrong. It's just flawed and by its fruits, we shall know it. And I think if anything right now in understanding the mental health crisis and the chronic disease epidemic, we should be aware that the fruits have not been able to bear itself in a way that demonstrates to us that we're on the right path.
and that we need a collective shift in our culture.
Beatty Carmichael (01:08:37.125)
I really believe that too. you know, it's interesting. Before God took my gift of healing away, I was at a party with a friend and she had a knee brace on. And so started asking her about the knee and why she has abrasion. It was a new relationship. I just kind of met her a little bit at that moment. And she said, are you a doctor? No. I well, what do you do? I heal people. My wife was there.
No, you don't. God heals them. You just pray for them, right? So we had this concept that is it, I healing them or is God healing them? Is our body self-healing or is it something God designed that as we, as you get alignment with God, healing occurs, whether it's something physical from our own body or something that God is allowing through the spiritual realm. And I don't know the answer, but I think it's kind of yes on both of
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:09:33.968)
Yeah, I'm thinking about my good friend, Dr. Ben Rall, who's a chiropractor. He's also the author of Design to Heal and he has a great podcast with the same name. And I think he is somebody who articulates this as well as anybody and really relies on his faith and his biblical understanding of how we are designed.
designed to heal and that comes only with an alignment in God and nature and the further we deviate from nature, that includes the spiritual realm, right? The sicker we become.
Beatty Carmichael (01:10:13.648)
Yeah, and I've seen that. is real interesting. Let me share what I've found in the Bible, and this will maybe connect some dots for anyone who's had a church background in any way. Deuteronomy 28, before just as Israel is about to cross into the Promised Land, God says, if you do not revere me in my name, in other words, if you sin against me, I will bring on you all the sicknesses and diseases of Egypt.
and all the disasters. Then you have Psalm 32. King David is writing, he says, when I refuse to confess my sins, my body wasted away and my bones ached and I had no strength to get out of my bed. And then I confess them and I was healed. And then you have James 5 16, where James is writing to the believers at that time, the Christian believers.
and says, if any of you are sick, let him call for the elders and they'll pray and anoint him and all that stuff. But it ends with confess your sins and you shall be healed. And what we find in the whole premise of the prayer of freedom, and it's not a religious book, it's not a Christian book, the truths of it, it's simply the truths of applying these laws in the spiritual realm.
and they actually work and it all ties back to when we do something against God's standard, there is a consequence. And when we simply confess that, the consequence will go. Just like what happened with you and just like what happened with all the people I've been working with. It really gives hope that maybe there's something more like my friend Ashlyn that I read the story of. She thought she was going to be on medication the rest of her life.
I have a friend he was on 70 milligrams a day of ADHD medicine. He'd been on it since grade school. He's almost my age. He was on 40 milligrams of depression medicine. The max was supposed to be 20. And he's on sleep meds. Going through this process, he's off all of his meds and functioning better because it wasn't a chemical imbalance. It was a spiritual issue.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:12:33.178)
Yeah, and there are no chemical imbalances. You know, we can be out of balance, obviously, clearly, for various reasons, and the body can be in a state of dis-ease. But I think one of the things we've proven today is that there are very spiritual, know, root causes to a lot of this. Not all the time, obviously. I think we can be out of balance too in the physical world. We know that, you know, we could be drinking alcohol, taking substances,
Beatty Carmichael (01:12:36.773)
Right.
Yeah.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:13:02.884)
eating a poor diet, not getting exercise, not getting sun exposure, not being connected to nature, and the body's going to get very, very sick, but still out of balance.
Beatty Carmichael (01:13:14.086)
but so much. You were asking earlier about measuring the 90%. This is the thing that surprised me. I started to recognize there's a long story behind it. We won't go into it. But as I had my gift of healing and I was be praying for people and they were instantly healed of what they were dealing with, God started to reveal to me, just like he's been revealing to you on this show and previously, that it was a spiritual entity.
a third person entity of some sort that was leaving. And that's why they were instantly restored. So it, it really started to guide me in this direction and, and it offers so much hope. I think that's the best. The thing I want to really stress to your audience is whether it's you or a loved one. I've seen, I've seen, this is really interesting.
This also shows it's not the power of the mind. I've seen loved ones, either a child going through this praying for, using this process of the prayer of freedom on behalf of their parent and things clear out of their parent's life. I've seen it where the parent is praying through this same process on behalf of a child and things getting destroyed or removed out of the child's life. In other words, sort of like quantum mechanics where
You touch one atom over here and it impacts another atom over here and there's no connection, no physical connection. This is such a spiritual thing that you can engage this process and actually bring release and freedom on behalf of loved ones that you've been struggling with, anxious about, concerned about, because you see they're going off a wrong direction. And now there's some ability. I won't say, I don't know if it's 90 % but
I've seen it happen frequently enough and significantly enough that it's really powerful. This not only set yourself free, set your family free and your loved ones free. And I got to tell you one story. You remember I was talking about the, the iniquities of the fathers or visitor, the subsequent generations, that same lady, Ashlyn, who was, that I read about, she has a one year old and three year old, and they were both diagnosed with asthma. One year old.
Beatty Carmichael (01:15:38.734)
lungs totally destroyed on the inhaler, three-year-old. And she was saying children usually aren't diagnosed until six or seven with asthma, but hers were heavy asthma. That same, when she went through the prayer of freedom, she went through that step-by-step guide on day one. The next day when she woke up, all of her issues were gone. The other thing she mentioned is her children's asthma was totally disappeared.
They never use the inhaler ever since. They never asked for it. And they were now running around being active, jumping up and down and everything that normal kids could do and no asthma. So what you start to see is simply how this impacts our own family, even when you don't intend it to. And by going through this process, you can free them from all kinds of things.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:16:28.602)
Hercules.
Beatty Carmichael (01:16:29.991)
It really is.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:16:33.621)
Well, this was a great conversation. Fascinating. And I just think it's, I'm so grateful that I get exposed to people like yourself. I've had so many interesting conversations over the last couple of years in particular. It's almost like when I open myself up to these possibilities and enter into a different frequency, then I get connected to other people.
Beatty Carmichael (01:16:59.58)
Yes.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:17:01.328)
Let me, I never asked you this. How did you find my podcast? How'd you get connected to me?
Beatty Carmichael (01:17:05.447)
there is a database called Raphonic and it's a list of all podcasts and who they are and size. And so it's a great, data research. So I was looking for anything dealing with health, any dealing thing dealing with mental health. And that's how you came up. You were a cold call.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:17:27.42)
Yeah. And I just felt, I get so many of these emails, and I dismiss 95 % of them. most, yeah, most of the people who come onto my podcast, it's because I became aware of them. I found them interesting and I reach out to them. But for some reason, I felt this urge to respond to yours.
Beatty Carmichael (01:17:38.501)
Of course, I recognize it.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:17:57.453)
And have this podcast and it came at exactly the right time on exactly the right day for me. And that is not a coincidence.
Beatty Carmichael (01:18:04.613)
Yeah. No, God has been leading you. I mentioned this earlier. God is doing something really special in your life, Roger. And I'm going to probably encourage the listeners here that there's probably doing something in your lives as well. But I know, Roger, when he started to give you that increased, I call it revelation, your understanding of what was going on with your client that day you mentioned. And then the lights start blinking and
in the shape of a heart and all these things. You're actually the first person, believe it or not, that I've guided through this process, that God communicated so clearly to you and you discerned it and you received it and you responded to it. What this tells me is God is calling you to a higher level, a higher frequency, a higher lightness, bright light.
a higher level of knowing him in a different way than you've ever known him before. And he's calling you there because he wants you to speak that different way to the people that you are engaging with, either your audience here or your clients.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:19:19.004)
Yeah, I want to, I'm getting more clear messages. And the message is this, there's nothing special about me. The only thing I have done is said, yes, I've said yes. And I've committed to receive. I've just allowed it and I trust and I have faith in it. And doing that has opened it up and it becomes more clear.
Beatty Carmichael (01:19:27.557)
Mm-mm, they're sad.
Beatty Carmichael (01:19:38.993)
Yes.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:19:48.574)
as time goes on, but I can tell everybody it only happens when I'm in that high vibrational state. When I am in a lower frequency of struggle or fear, any of those negative emotions that can drag us down, I am disconnected. I have to find my way back. And what happened is doing these exercises with you.
Beatty Carmichael (01:19:56.124)
Yes.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:20:18.053)
brought me back. And I'm receiving those messages and it's very clear I'm supposed to say that everyone has this ability, the capacity to do this.
Beatty Carmichael (01:20:30.407)
Everyone, this is what God is not a respecter of persons. I'm nothing special. He gave me an understanding. I'm delivering it through the prayer of freedom. He has placed on your heart to seek and as you seek, you shall find. I want to make two comments on what you said. Number one is on that. My son, Beatty Jr. God has brought him into the heavenly realm multiple times.
He's engaged in things that you and I would count as amazing and that can't be true, but it's all very real. And I was asking him, what's the single most important thing you do, Beatty Jr., to grow in understanding God in his ways more? And he said very clearly, the most important thing to do is to every day lay all of, we call it revelation. You call it,
high vibration, but lay all your revelation down before him and say, God, I don't understand. Tell me more. And when you are seeking and you never have a stop, he was saying, it's really interesting. And this is the problem with a lot of the Protestant church. In the Protestant church, we have doctrines and a doctrine is, and we take a religiosity truth and we say, this is the truth.
And then we have another doctrine. This is the truth. And once you have what you think is the truth and you put it in a box, you no longer pursue to learn more because you say, know it all. And at that point you never grow. The reason God is revealing to you is because you're seeking and this is the spiritual truth. Seek and you shall find, ask and you shall receive, knock and it will be open. But if you stop seeking, he'll stop revealing.
The other thing I want to share, this is really cool too, is.
Beatty Carmichael (01:22:36.583)
This has nothing to do with me or you. And even what I sent you through that now you're at this higher vibration, what I find consistently, 100 % of the time, is as people go through chapter 12 of my book, which is the step-by-step process, the worksheet and the prior process, their vibration goes so high and it stays there.
Because when you get these things out of your life, no longer are they pulling you down with this negative energy, these dark, these have low vibrations pulling you down. And you also start to learn the pattern of what allows those low vibrations into your life. And you, you create a conscious and even a unconscious rejection of them so they never happen. And as I've worked with people and I'll
ask them, how has this guided you in your walk with God or your ability to walk in love? It's like a thousand times better. I mean, and it's consistent and it's persistent. So if anyone is really seeking that a higher spiritual engagement with God, going through this process will give it to you because the more you obey what God says to do, and he says to confess these things.
then the more he comes into you, this is where you are feeling the tingling like electricity all over you. He's doing exactly what he says. If you obey me, I will dwell in you even more and more powerfully and I will reveal things that you've never understood. And that's the calling he has on all of our lives. And it's really evident and so excited for you personally, Roger, because you are seeking, he is revealing, you're rejecting nothing, you are listening.
you were obeying and he's giving you more. And I think you're going to do something major, incredible in his kingdom to help his people get to that same point. So I bless you on that.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:24:50.436)
Thank you. And I want to recognize to everyone out there, the challenges when, when I am in fear, when I am grounded only in the physical realm, as I can feel as lost as anybody. And I feel like a lot of people that I've, that I serve in my life are lost in that physical world. And unfortunately, I think we have a system that really
in a lot of ways is disconnecting us from our divine connection. Whether they're drugs or the pharmaceuticals or it's the materialist atheist model, it's higher education, it's a government and media that provokes fear. Everything is dragging us down into this low vibrational state. I call it the basement, right? If getting up into a higher realm or a higher vibration would be on the penthouse where you can re-see things.
I feel like we get drugged down to the basement often and we exist in fear there. And I know what it's like to be there and it gets confusing and we feel lost. But the way to get to that penthouse, which is to raise that internal vibration and open up that like almost portal, that connection to God is from within. We were able to do it from within and we...
have to be able to quiet that mind, in my opinion, because that mind is that chatter has been conditioned in fear. Or we can do what happened today, because this did the same exact thing that I've been able to do from within in this quiet space. We also just kind of spoke it out loud, right? just, we just prayed out loud, we like set the intention, we mark the flag down, right? And then we brought, we brought God right back in.
And as I sit here right now, my entire body's buzzing, which is great because I'm about to go into sessions. And I have the best sessions when I get my body into this internal state. yeah, I'm very grateful for today. Where can people find you, discover you and your book and connect with you?
Beatty Carmichael (01:27:06.737)
Yeah, best place is going to be the PrayerofFreedomBook.com. And I send people there. Number one, it's really cool because there's some other live demonstrations of other show hosts I've done this with. And if you want to see more of that. But there are a lot of books with prayer and freedom out there. So you may miss my book. But if you go to the PrayerofFreedomBook.com, there's a buy now button and takes you straight to the right page on Amazon. If you need to contact me directly.
You'll find me on my website, betycarmichael.com. It's a unique name. So if you can't read the show notes, let me spell it for you. It's B-E-A-T-T-Y. Just like if the old folks like me remember Warren Beatty. Same. So B-E-A-T-T-Y. And then Car and Michael. C-A-R-M-I-C-H-A-E-L. betycarmichael.com.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:28:02.17)
Baby Carmichael, I want to thank you for a radically genuine conversation.
Beatty Carmichael (01:28:07.643)
Well, thank you, Roger.
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