Radically Genuine Podcast with Dr. Roger McFillin

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (00:01.165)
Welcome to the Radically Genuine Podcast. I am Dr. Roger McFillin. The official VAERS database reports over 1.5 million adverse events following vaccination since 1990, while a landmark Harvard study suggested this represents as little as 1 % of actual cases. For pharmaceuticals, FDA data shows over 2 million serious adverse drug events in the past decade.

yet researchers estimate up to 95 % of adverse drug reactions go unreported. These aren't just statistics. They represent millions of people whose lives changed after a medical intervention they thought was safe, interventions they often consented to without full information about risks, ingredients, or alternatives. Many spent months or years connecting their sudden health challenges to a vaccine or a pharmaceutical.

often facing dismissal from the very medical system they trusted. The COVID-19 pandemic pulled back the curtain on the troubling reality. Our own doctors and pharmacists are often working with incomplete information. Critical data about pharmaceutical products is routinely withheld not just from patients, but from the medical providers we rely on for guidance. The sacred principle of informed consent has been reduced to a hasty signature on a form.

while the real information remains buried in dense documentation few ever get to see. But throughout history, it's often those harmed by medical interventions who drive the most crucial changes in patient rights and medical transparency. Today's guest, Alexandra, is part of this vital tradition. She is the visionary behind just the inserts.

A resource dedicated to empowering individuals and families with clear, accessible information about medical choices. Through her innovative website and Instagram account, Just the Inserts is perhaps the most valuable tool you've never heard of. A critical site for those who understand we can no longer blindly rely on standard medical advice.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (02:19.659)
It's become a lifeline of information to make informed decisions about vaccines, pharmaceuticals, over-the-counter drugs, and other medical interventions. It's by the grace of God I've been able to connect with her. I can't believe she was outside of my sphere. I saw her on Alex Clark's recent podcast. She's a wealth of information. I'm so blessed to have her on the podcast.

Alexandra, welcome to the radically genuine podcast.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (02:51.208)
Thank you so much for having me. It's interesting. I've been on a lot of podcasts recently, just starting to share my mission and share the resources. And it's interesting because I'm sure you're aware of too, when you go on some podcasts, you're trying to assess the awareness level and the comfort level that some people are willing to go down deep into this well. And I feel at home already. I just met you and I feel at home already. So thank you so much for having me on.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (03:17.975)
You're definitely at home and I think we're on the same energy wavelength. But I can't do it enough credit. I think we have to start with your story behind this amazing creation and how you were inspired to start this.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (03:31.926)
Yeah, definitely. It's a complicated one, but it's an important history of what I do now. So it started, I was active duty military and I pretty much just accepted any pharmaceutical that was given to me. I remember being in field training and we were all in line and we had to show our vaccination records. And if you weren't up to date, you would get the vaccine while you were standing at attention. You had to pull down your blouse and get it. And then you kind of would shake your arm when nobody was looking because it was sore.

So I was just raised in that environment that whenever a medical professional said, this is something you needed, you got it because you didn't want your name in red in front of the commander's briefing or anything like that. So it was just something that I naturally always accepted. However, I went back to duty myself and I was on a lake.

and I was tubing and I ended up getting a neck sprain and they gave me Oxycontin and they didn't tell me not to be aware of any constipation. They didn't say give me informed consent that there could be severe complicate or constipation. I remember thinking that I was dying after going through this and I remember thinking to myself, I would have rather just dealt with the next sprain. This is worse. So was little things like that. There were several things during my time in the military where I started to realize

what I was given wasn't really best for me. And I started to question some things. One of the most pivotal points for that, I had a rash on my face and I went to the medical doctor and I remember sitting there and explaining all of my symptoms and he spun around on his chair, got on his computer and got on Google. And he started Googling my symptoms. And I remember thinking, why am I here? I could have done that myself. Basically the only thing, the only service you're providing me is that you can

write a prescription and provide me a pharmaceutical that I can't get myself. That's really the only purpose that you're here. So that that onion started to be peeled back little by little. I also dealt with severe adult acne for about five years. It forced me to look at the food I was eating, the clothes that I was wearing, the laundry detergent I was using, and I completely overhauled my entire lifestyle to be more natural minded. And so I ended up getting out of the military. I got married and

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (05:57.346)
we were expecting our first child and I really wanted to have a natural childbirth. And I remember researching all these different options. I wasn't ready for a home birth yet, which is funny in the Alex Clark interview, I said that I wasn't, that was too crazy for me, but since then I've had two home births. So I got some people that were heated like, why don't you support home birth? I'm like, wait, hold on. No, I did. I ended up having two home births. But my first, just wasn't comfortable with it yet. So I ended up

finding a birth center attached to hospital. And in hindsight, I realized that it was just a marketing ploy. There was all of the marketing terms for targeting more natural minded moms. was like essential oils diffused in the hospital room. There was a labor pool. There was just all the things that you would think would support natural physiological birth.

Unfortunately, I learned that that was not the standard of care and pharmaceuticals were pushed on me the entire process. I ended up having a 44-hour labor and it was quite traumatic. And through that labor, I ended up accepting Pitocin and I didn't want it. It was horrible. I felt completely out of control. My contractions were horrible. I had back labor. It was just really painful. So I ended up getting pulled off of it.

And then because it had been such a long labor, even though I had just very superficially researched vitamin K, someone had told me, and I can't remember who it was throughout my research, that it was important for a child, a baby to get vitamin K if they spent a long time in the birth canal. So I had asked beforehand if they had a preservative free version. I was assured that there was. And then all of a sudden when I was there, it was no longer available. So because I was just so exhausted from labor,

and I was worried about my baby having a potential brain bleed and internal bleeding and everything that they say around the synthetic vitamin K injection, I ended up accepting it. And unfortunately, my daughter was injured from that. She was severe jaundice. She had colic. She has some liver issues, gut issues, and I spent thousands of dollars and I got gaslit by many pediatricians. I got kicked out of pediatrician's offices and

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (08:18.892)
I think it's important to know while this was happening, in parallel to that, when I was pregnant in my third trimester, the midwife had provided a one page sheet on Tdap and said, you're going to get this at your next appointment. And I was so exhausted from researching everything else that I ended up asking my mom to research it for me. And she spent a few days and then when she called me up, she was just...

had so much anxiety about me potentially accepting Tdap and she was very forceful and used a lot of fear-based language, like saying that I was going to die, my baby was gonna die if I ended up taking it. And so it really turned me off to the subject. But yet some of the things that she said made a little bit of sense. And I started to research it on my own, mostly just to prove her wrong. But I ended up researching it on my own and I thought, you know, this doesn't resonate, doesn't make a lot of sense. I can't even have

some over the counter medications. I can't eat raw cheese. I can't eat raw fish when I'm pregnant. Why would I inject myself with something? So I ended up not accepting it. And then Hep B didn't make a lot of sense for me either, just because my baby wasn't sexually active or a drug user when she was born. So even then I do remember saying to my mom, you're a crazy anti-vaxxer. You're just off your rocker. But there were some things that...

she made sense in what she said. So I started researching. So while my daughter's dealing with the injury from vitamin K, I'm researching vaccines and I start realizing, my gosh, I was so emotionally defending products that I had no idea what they were about. I had no idea about the industry as a whole because I had grown up in the military, because I was military myself. I originally thought vaccines were a government product.

I didn't realize that there was a commercial entity behind them. I didn't realize that pharmaceutical companies were not liable for all of their products. And it just really opened that can of worms and I dove two feet in because here I was dealing with a child that was injured by a pharmaceutical product. And then I'm also reading about all these other pharmaceutical products that these pediatricians are telling me that I need to give her while she's still dealing with the first injury that she had.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (10:36.91)
pediatricians were kicking me out of their office, not seeing that my daughter was in pain because I wasn't accepting these other preventative products. So I started sharing my research. I wanted to go straight to the source. I always like to go straight to the source and I found inserts and I started sharing them on my personal Instagram.

And I got shadow banned and lost a lot of friends and I just was praying to God for some guidance. And eventually I started getting inspiration to start an account for just the inserts. And that's how it started and it blew up and I realized that I'm not alone. And I don't talk about it as much, but I started getting really involved in my state's legislative efforts. started calling.

Congressman and emailing them showed up at rallies at my capital and in DC. I've been in DC for a few rallies and I realized most people have this, just like I did, preconceived notion about these products and there's this philanthropic veil that protects them and so I realized there needs to be a lot more education.

for the public and that's what's encouraged me to do just the inserts and it's encouraged me to keep sharing about all pharmaceuticals, not just vaccines, because I'm sure you can agree that there are other pharmaceuticals that are administered at the same time that can make vaccines reactions even worse or ineffective. So that's the gist of my story.

and why I started, but really what kept me is all the messages that I get from other people and all of their stories. And I'm not alone. If anyone's listening right now, you're not alone either. You're not crazy. There are .gov resources that validate what you're saying. And then there's a whole bunch of resources that aren't .gov that validate what you're saying as well. So I'm glad we can all come together and hopefully change the next generation, change course for them.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (12:36.845)
Let me ask for some clarification. So the information that you're posting is from our government websites. If that's the case and your research is informing your understanding of this, why would pediatricians be kicking you out of their office? Why would you...

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (12:47.768)
Correct, yes.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (13:01.089)
you shadow banned on Instagram and why would you have such a negative reaction from just friends or community members?

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (13:08.61)
Well, for the first part, for pediatricians, most of them don't know. Most of them have never read inserts, and if they do have some aware of packaging inserts, it's because a pharmaceutical representative has cherry-picked information to present to them. The only time where I've seen in personal messages from medical providers that they do read inserts is if they themselves are personally liable for an adverse reaction or when they become parents.

And it's really interesting. I've been doing this for four years now and it was funny to see the progression of some of the medical providers that were in my DMs and were super heated and said horrible mean things to me and just the absolute aggression that they had towards me. And then now some of them are my most fiercest advocates. And some of them have left the pharmaceutical practice, have left.

their conventional healthcare practice and now they're starting something else. So that just makes me very happy to see that there are people who are just like me, they thought they knew something about a product and an industry and they were able to have that maturity and that mental awareness to change course and to realize this isn't exactly what we were told and now I can take that information and I can grow from it.

the social media aspect of it. I was deleted a week before the federal mandate, the COVID-19 federal mandate. A whole bunch of us were deleted and I went to Meta's fine print and it's basically even if me sharing .gov information is accurate, I would be encouraging vaccine hesitancy.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (14:50.142)
Wow.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (14:50.828)
And it says that and I screenshot it and I saved it and I wrote in a blog post because I could not, I was floored. I could not believe that they actually said the quiet part out loud that if anything encourages vaccine hesitancy, even if it's from a .gov resource, you will be censored basically.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (15:07.111)
I mean, it's just how important that is. Let's just like reflect their belief and you see this from the US government or certain factions of like the Democratic Party or so forth, is that providing the Americans information about adverse reactions, things that are very known that are presented on on government sites, that that in itself providing people information would lead to

vaccine hesitancy as if all vaccines are safe and effective.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (15:42.476)
Yeah, yeah. And what I've noticed too, at least to speak to the friends that were heated, and you've probably seen this as well, there's a little bit of a loophole. And I see it all the time on the CDC, FDA, NIH websites. It'll say speaking to, let's say, breastfeeding or pregnancy for a certain pharmaceutical product. It'll say there are no studies, there are no well-controlled studies.

on this drug or vaccine on the pregnancy population, consult your physician. Well, then you go to your physician and then your physician is most likely a member of an external agency who is accepting marketing dollars from the companies that provide the products that make the products. And so when you see that on the CDC, because I'll get messages, well, the CDC and FDA says consult your physician.

Well, then you go to your physician and then you realize that your physician is getting paid to promote and encourage vaccine acceptance or encourage a certain pharmaceutical acceptance. So you're kind of already set up for failure. And I really firmly believe that informed consent is not occurring at large in America. And I'm pretty sure you could agree with me on that one, at least in conventional healthcare. So that's why I come in and I say, okay.

The average doctor's visit is less than 15 minutes. It's even less than that for pediatrician's visit. So it really has to be on you, the patient, the parent, to find and read manufacturer inserts because they should know the most about their products. It's their product. You should know, you have the right to know everything that the manufacturer says about their product. And just start there. I'm not saying you have to end there, but just at least start there. So then when you do and go into that doctor's office and they,

prescribe Miralex to your three-year-old daily for a debt, you know, for 10 days or a year, you can say, Miralex is not meant to be for children. It's not indicated for children. The FDA hasn't approved for that. So then you can maybe have a little bit more productive conversations with your healthcare provider.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (17:50.381)
Let ask you more about those financial conflict of interests. Is it correct that large scale hospital networks receive government Medicare based money that's dependent on the percentage of people that get vaccinated or use certain products?

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (18:10.103)
So I wrote in my book, I just published a new book and I have a whole section in there because I get asked all the time, do pediatricians or hospital networks get kickbacks? According to the government, no, kickbacks are illegal. However, they can get incentives and it is legal because at least the program is public and at least you can go look it up. So even though it's not.

technically a kickback because it's not called kickback. It does, in my opinion, kind of sound like a kickback. So I fleshed out, there was a few incentive programs that I actually put in the book and I set as an examples. And this is all publicly accessible information. And one of them was to encourage COVID-19 vaccine acceptance. And there was a certain percentage that each provider had to accomplish within their panel size, within the

patients that they had in their office. And if they hit a certain threshold, then they could get a bonus. There's other programs, I can't remember off the top of my head, but there's other programs that are government subsidized for flu vaccinations. And there's an even higher bonus that you get if you encourage your pregnant patients to get the flu vaccine. And this is all information that you can go find on the internet. And I have it cited in my book.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (19:32.727)
So I just found out this week that there has never been a clinical trial on the safety or efficacy of the flu vaccine in pregnant women. Is that accurate?

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (19:41.678)
From the manufacturer inserts, I have not seen, actually in the inserts now, if there's smaller studies that are done, I don't know, on clinicaltrials.gov, I'm pretty sure we could go look it up if we wanted to. But at least on the manufacturer insert, I have not seen that. The only thing that I have seen is a pregnancy registry that the manufacturers will encourage. And you'll see that a lot, most of the vaccines, because they don't include pregnant women in the clinical trial phases.

after the product comes to market, then they'll have some kind of registry that you as an uncontrolled test subject have to report any adverse reactions that you have.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (20:21.001)
Aaron Suri, is an attorney for informed consent action network ICANN recently used a FOIA request for the government to get data on the efficacy and safety of flu vaccines for pregnant women. And I know for a fact that pregnant women who are working in healthcare settings have gotten fired because of their refusal to get a flu vaccine.

one that has never been evaluated. And so we don't know the impact on the fetus. So check that out, Erin Seary, ICANN Network, clinical trials for the safety or efficacy of a flu vaccine in pregnant women. Let's get into informed consent. Let's just start with defining it what it is because it's an ethical and legal mandate for physicians and psychologists like me to provide informed consent.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (21:17.966)
So when I first started reading about informed consent, it seems like a very unattainable, dry thing for the average American. To me, it seemed very out of reach. So what I tried to do is when I do talk about informed consent, because you don't really care about manufacturer inserts if you don't care about informed consent. The whole reason why you would read an insert that is to support that underpinning the bedrock of what I do is informed consent. So I try to...

communicate in a way that anyone can really understand. So for me, I always say informed consent, and I based this off the American Medical Association's definition of informed consent and their code of medical ethics. It's all the information that you need to make a well-considered decision about medical products. So I have created an informed consent process. So when you go to your doctor, you go to your medical provider, you provide observations about your symptoms, your condition, they come up with a diagnosis.

And then with that diagnosis, they provide treatment options, whether it's procedures, whether it's medical products, anything, health, diet, exercise, things like that. So if it's a medical product, you have the option under the umbrella of informed consent to make one of three decisions. You accept that medical product, you stay observant of any potential adverse reactions, and you communicate any changes of your condition to your provider. Number two, you delay that product. So maybe you just wanna...

observe more about your condition, maybe you don't agree with a diagnosis, a misdiagnosis happen all the time, you can get a second opinion and then maybe see if that product's gonna fit in with whatever the diagnosis that if it changes. And then three, the third option is that you can decline that product. So maybe you have a contraindication to that product, maybe there's an ingredient in that product that you don't feel comfortable with, either short or long term, having that in your body. And then you can search alternative

products either with that provider or with another one. And that is the basic understanding of what informed consent in action. To go even further than that, I have tried to explain to you that informed consent isn't an exploding offer. It isn't just a moment in time, it's a process. So if you are sitting in that healthcare provider's office and you're asking questions and they are pushing you trying to get the next person in because...

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (23:39.436)
you are no longer billable hours, it's okay to either one, schedule a follow-up appointment if you are stuck with this provider and you have to stick with this provider, or you can say, okay, thank you, and then go find a different provider that's gonna spend more time with you to understand and to make sure that the diagnosis is accurate and that the treatment plan is tailored to you. And so the first part of my book, I really go into the technical part of informed consent, how to find and read manufacturer inserts.

And then the second part of my book is basically a big pep talk to say you are responsible for any adverse reactions or potential complications if you do get a disease or a condition or anything like that. Therefore you have the authority to accept, delay or decline any and all medical products.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (24:27.181)
So you mentioned how quick a general appointment is, like 10 minutes. I've seen some research in primary care, not more than eight minutes on average. And we see these financial conflicts of interest. it's semantics when they say there's not kickbacks, because when you are financially incentivized to keep the appointment shorter, to push certain medical interventions in order to be able to get government reimbursement.

Now there's a conflict of interest. We're not providing information or medical care based on best available evidence. We're basing that based on financial incentives. And this is the problem of the pharmaceutical machine that exists is a lot of these doctors are doing nothing other than following protocol. And in the protocol, those are heavily influenced by pharmaceutical money because they're funding these major medical organizations.

So the idea that we can go to our physician and we can get accurate information from them, that's nothing more than a myth at this point, isn't it?

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (25:32.62)
And I would argue too, like I was talking about OBs earlier, most people don't realize OBs are surgeons. And so when you go to an OB, a lot of the times they've never seen a natural birth, an actual natural birth from start to finish, what it actually looks like. And so when you go to a surgeon saying, want a natural physiological birth, that's not really in their wheelhouse. And so it's important for you as a consumer to understand that too. They have limits.

based on what they specialized in. And so maybe it's the public needs to be more aware of the different healthcare options that are available to them that you don't have to go to a pediatrician. You don't have to go to OB. You can go to a family doctor. You could go to a naturopath. You go to integrative functional. There's so many other healthcare options out there. And I've talked about this before. Pharmaceutical companies are not the arbiters of science. They are not the only ones that utilize science in healthcare.

And healthcare is a very broad term. know that as Americans, when we think of healthcare, we think of the big hospital down the street from us, but there is healthcare happening in pockets of America that we just don't know about. it takes kind of getting in that network and that underground word of mouth, trying to find the people that you find. Most of the people that I go to seek healthcare from now, I found from word of mouth and they don't even have websites. And so I'm hoping that

maybe in this next administration that will start to change and maybe we'll have more of a connecting between provider and patient. But one thing I did want to touch on, I have a lot of medical professionals that contact me most of the time because they themselves don't have the autonomy or medical freedom themselves. Like you said, that they are forced to accept products they don't even believe in themselves. But there was a nurse that was messaging me.

Her name's Rita, she's in charge of the Boom Clap podcast. They're amazing, by the way, if you haven't heard of them, they are definitely a great group. Her and her co-host Cecily are just amazing, they're both nurses. But Rita really talked about order sets. I don't know if you're familiar with those, but when a patient comes in, and she worked in the cardiovascular unit, so when a patient comes in and they have a certain...

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (27:49.518)
a surgery that they're prepping for or there's some kind of diagnosis or condition or something that came in, they're called what order sets are on the computer. So when this patient comes in, they get the order set of this is how often you have to check their blood pressure. This is how often you need to turn them to their side. These are the products that they need. And it's same for every single person that comes in with that diagnosis, it's the exact same. So it's very streamlined. And in order for you

if a patient comes in and says, don't want this, you have to uncheck that box. And so many nurses that are coming in, especially the ones that have been trained through the COVID years, they're just running through these order sets and they're not really paying attention to what they are. They're kind of just mindlessly following this. this is, speaking from RNs that have messaged me telling me about their peers. I'm not a medical professional, so I don't know it firsthand, but many medical professionals have told me this.

Unfortunately, a lot of vaccines are put on these order sets and some of these patients are coming out of surgery and they're getting vaccines and they don't even know it. They're unconscious. So how is informed consent happening in that process? It's impossible.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (29:02.965)
That's disorienting. I mean, that can actually happen that you can get a vaccine while you're unconscious.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (29:10.222)
Yeah, and it's part of the hospital policy when you walk in that door, accept you being in that hospital, accepting an elective surgery, you automatically agree or consent to that hospital policy. many patients don't know because they don't pull their medical records afterward. I could tell you for days, hundreds of people that have messaged me saying, I just pulled my medical records. I know that I went in for this, but I ended up getting a vaccine during it. And I didn't realize that

when they were injecting me, it was a vaccine. I thought it was something else. They didn't even tell me what it was. It happens all the time.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (29:43.813)
That's shocking. mean, this is the first time I've ever heard this. I'm sure a lot of people listening right now have never heard anything like that either. That's unbelievable. Let's get back to the doctors because I think one of the things that you're referencing is how challenging it can be for people to go in and face the authority, the medical authority, the doctor. And it seems more and more that there's a degree of coercion and pushing you into getting these

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (29:49.486)
Mm-hmm.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (30:12.333)
interventions, these vaccines. And when you have those questions, that they tend to put you in boxes, like we have this camps that people are posing these false dichotomies, like you're anti vax or pro science, right? It's like, it can't be anything in between. And I've heard physicians say, listen, this has FDA approval, it's safe, it's effective. Is the FDA a regulatory body that actually

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (30:25.475)
Mm-hmm.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (30:37.869)
protects American people by adequately evaluating safety and efficacy of medical products, like in your research and your understanding.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (30:45.504)
when the COVID vaccines were emergency use authorized. And I believe it was the Pfizer, BioNTech, now, I don't even know, can't even pronounce how they say it now, but the one that got approved, finally got FDA approved. I did a post and it ended up going viral. And it was the FDA's definition of safe and effective. And if you look at those two definitions, the common person,

American would not agree with their definition of safe and effective. If you took every, if you took and you said, does this definition meet the standards of safety, but you didn't say it was from the FDA, people would most likely say, no, that doesn't make sense. But because the FDA said it was safe and effective, people just assume that it is. So most of the time, whenever you see, especially on CDC's X account or anything like that, whenever they are talking about a product and safety,

and effectiveness, they are comparing it to a disease or they're comparing it to something else. They said this product is safe because it has less complications in these clinical trials than what this disease could potentially have. So when I go in there and I research it, I try to strip everything that is in comparison to something else because that can be very easily manipulated. And there's two really important things at least for vaccines that I pound on. The first is that

the statistics that we have about adverse reactions, you talked about it earlier, they're not accurate. We know because of the federally funded grant or the federally funded study that adverse reactions are less than 1 % for vaccines. And just speaking to medical professionals, I know this to be true because there's so many medical professionals that believe it an impossibility for there to be an adverse reaction to a vaccine. I know that they're not being reported as well because I have so many people from

patient side saying, yeah, I developed eczema after this, or I developed gastro after this. And I asked, have you reported it? And they said, no, I'm sure my doctor did. But did you tell your doctor? No, I didn't. I was actually, went to the ER, so I didn't tell my doctor. So I know that just when you look at the basics of how healthcare works, that it's not happening, that understaffing is an issue. It's not a part of the regular workflow for the medical professional. So that's the first part is that

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (33:08.62)
when you look at the definition of safety and it being compared to something else, you're not accurately capturing all of the adverse reactions that could be associated to that product. So off the bat, the safety definition is a myth. And then if you look on the other side, so many of these vaccines are known to cause secondary, primary secondary infection or breakthrough infections, or they cause the very thing that they're meant to prevent. A great example is MMR.

Atypical measles is listed as an known adverse reaction to the MMR. So here you are trying to prevent measles and then this product can cause measles and so many medical professionals have told me that they are not reporting that because they see that as just a part of the vaccine working. So here you have measles numbers that aren't being reported due to vaccine. And then when you look at the measles outbreaks, are they from the vaccine?

Are they the vaccine virus? Are they the wild virus? And then I believe it was the inactivated measles. The World Health Organization has a source that I cited in my book that there was research to suggest that when a vaccinated child from the inactivated measles vaccine, when they experienced the wild measles strain, they had a more aggressive and atypical form of a measles infection. So when we look at the safe and effective definition,

All of that information has been withheld from the conversation and it's not talked about. And it's been cherry picked over at large by the medical, by the scientific communities, even though all of the information that I just said is sitting on a doc of resource.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (34:54.785)
Now, the other thing is if you don't study the long-term effects of any product, well, then you don't have to report on them. In my field with antidepressants, for example, I mean, I come across people who've been on antidepressants for a decade and they're shocked to know that it hasn't been evaluated for more than six to 12 weeks. And they certainly don't know the, the efficacy of those trials, knowing that it's barely if, I mean, it's very controversial that if it would

outperform a placebo. personal belief is that it doesn't when you include the totality of the evidence, especially the trials that are not reported to the federal government because you only need two trials to be able to support its efficacy. The FDA's real job is to get a drug to market as fast as you can and then they trust the doctors to be able to use that in practice in the way that they deem fit based on their medical training. listen, the medical training is more like going to pharmacy school now and they're getting everything from the pharmaceutical.

industry and that's kind of driving what clinical practice is. So you said that there were some physicians that now are actually using your website and people are coming around and I see that mass awakening as well. But for those who are still asleep and that's most of them, how do they react to you?

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (36:12.14)
I used to get a lot of really heated messages. I have some very thick skin after dealing through the COVID craziness. That was a really hard time. And I've actually talked with some other people that were very vocal during that time as well. And we kind of just try not to remember it, try not to think about it because there probably is a little bit of PTSD. I try not to throw that word around very lightly, but there probably is a little bit. I was also pregnant with my second child during that time. And me being deleted was actually

kind of a blessing. I was off Instagram for eight months and that was actually a blessing in disguise. I'm really glad that I had that time to be able to cherish the newborn phase and I was glad to be off Instagram for a while. I still have my website so I was still sharing research but I just to be off Instagram. So I used to get a lot of heated messages for medical professionals but I did a logical fallacies post and I talked about the different logical fallacies that are very prevalent.

in the medical community. One of them being, and this was the main reason why I was anonymous for so long, one of them being the U2 fallacy. So if there was anything that could potentially make me a hypocrite, all of the research that I was presenting would be null and void. So the fact that I myself have had vaccines.

well, you have had vaccines. So how could you talk about the danger of vaccines? So there's a lot of logic. I mean, there's many of them. I think I did like the bandwagon fallacy, then the false dichotomy of you have to get the code vaccine or your grandma's gonna die and realizing, okay, are there only two situations to this? Because if you do get COVID, there are still other things that you can do. It doesn't mean that you're going to develop severe complications. And even if you do develop complications and you do go to the hospital,

there are still things that can be done. And so it was trying to break down all of those logical fallacies. So after I did that post, I noticed that a lot of the very heated messages calmed down a little bit. And then I started using more language of calling these products products, because they are products, they're medical products. When you say vaccine, when you say pharmaceutical, when you say drug, I believe in our society, we've been taught just through our culture that

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (38:30.196)
These are blessings to society and we should be grateful to partake in them and for us to question the validness and the philanthropic mission of them makes us the evil person, makes us the bad guy. And so to talk about them in the medical product stance, I have my backgrounds in business. And so I took it from the angle of

when I was talking with moms who were messaging me saying that they were completely heartbroken, their pediatrician fired them, I would say, well, it's not you, it's them. They have set up their practice in a way that they probably are relying upon that bonus to keep their lights on. And they are probably following American Academy of Pediatrics resources to increase vaccine acceptance. So that declination form that they were trying to force on you, that's not governed.

That's not a government document. That's something that is used to try to get you to accept a product. And so when I started revealing a lot of this information, that's again, all on the internet, it's all publicly available. It's very hidden and it took me a very long time to find all of this and to curate and put it in a very easily digestible way, but it's all there and you can all find it. then the really, the big part is when I did the informed consent process post.

just laid it all out there and said that this is what informed consent looks like. And in order to have informed consent, even the American Medical Association's definition, it is a choice, it is a decision. In order for you to have that decision, you must be able to delay or decline that product. If you can't, then it's not informed consent, that's medical coercion, that's medical bullying, and there's no grace for that in the patient provider relationship.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (40:19.991)
Well said. I want to stay on vaccines for a second because you have such great knowledge of this. It seems like our societal vaccine literacy is actually very rudimentary, fraught with lies. I think we've been sold stories and narratives and we just repeat those stories over and over again. And at that point lies become truth. What's some of the most egregious propaganda that you hear people repeating over and over again that's not really actually supported by evidence?

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (40:47.02)
The biggest one is polio, that the polio vaccine eradicated polio. And I would think more my grandparents' generation really holds on tight to that. But when you look at the data and when you look at what the CDC says about its own history of polio, it doesn't match. So for those that aren't aware, and again, this is all from .gov information, there are some great...

books out there that talk about more contextual information about the time that was happening with polio and other things that were on the market. But what I'm gonna stick to is just the doc of stuff. according to the CDC and the National American History Museum, the oral polio virus or vaccine came out first. So those were the drops in the mouth. Those came out first. It was a mass vaccination program. Unfortunately, there were several

clinics that were seeing deaths after getting this, I'm sorry, I'm sorry. It first started with the inactivated polio vaccine. So that was the shot in the arm, my apologies. So that's what they were doing is that they had the inactivated polio vaccine, but there was a clinic called the Cutter Laboratory and they were not properly filtering the polio vaccine or the polio virus. So when these clinicians, these,

providers were injecting children with the inactivated polio vaccine, they were finding polio were developing in the vaccinated arm where traditionally it was through the legs and people were dying. There were a lot of adverse reactions that were happening. So there was a huge ruckus that was made about this inactivated polio vaccine. So then they introduced the oral polio vaccine. Those are the drops in the mouth. And that was supposed to be the saving grace was the oral polio vaccine. ended up phasing out.

the inactivated polio vaccine, and then using the oral polio vaccine. And I believe that was around 1997. So then they started realizing the oral polio vaccine is live. So there were more cases, and this is according to the CDC, there were more cases of vaccine-derived paralytic polio than there were from the wild strain. So then they started to phase that out.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (43:02.158)
And then they went back to the inactivated polio vaccine. They did a new formula. They use more formaldehyde to kill the virus. And that is now what's currently on the schedule. And that's currently what's being administered to young children. But that's in America. It's still, the oral polio vaccine is still being used globally. And there is a lot of pushback. India is one of the places that pushed back really hard on that because they were having so many cases of paralytic polio.

So when I started researching, I started realizing this is nothing of what we were taught. And you you see the pictures on Facebook that gets circulated of, know, polio, the chambers and everything, and how grateful we are for the polio vaccine, actually it has a very troubled past that most of us don't know about.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (43:49.801)
There's a great book called Dissolving Illusions, Disease, Vaccines, and a Forgotten History, which is extremely informative. And if you are interested in waking up and understanding what is sold to us or the narratives that are presented to us, certainly have an agenda behind them and don't always spit evidence. I would suggest you read that. So what questions do you think parents should ask their pediatricians about?

vaccines or other interventions that they're recommending? How do you even begin to direct them to respond given that what we know about the entire medical establishment at this point?

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (44:26.286)
My best advice is to not rely on the doctor for that. My best advice is to take on that responsibility and authority yourself. You're probably gonna get more informed consent from reading a manufacturer insert than you would from your doctor. So you can go and look at the CDC schedule and for a well-baby visit that comes up, you can see what vaccines are going to be recommended at that well-baby visit. So say your child's about to turn a year old.

you can look and see all of the vaccines that are going to be recommended. So I would say about a month or so before that, sit down with your spouse or your partner and pull the insert for every single one of those vaccines. If that sounds really daunting to you, I have a free training course, no email required on my website, justtheinserts.com. It's called How to Read an Insert and I go step by step exactly how to find those inserts. I talk about the different sections of each insert. So things like contraindications, those are conditions that your child might have.

that might predispose them to an increased risk of an adverse reaction. So for example, for the DTaP vaccine, if your child in a previous DTaP dose had uncontrollable crying for more than three hours, that is a sign according to the manufacturer that your child will have an increased risk for an adverse reaction, a more serious adverse reaction in a subsequent dose. So these are all things as parents that you need to be aware of. And since we talked about DTaP, I have to hit on this. In the post-marketing adverse reaction section of

of one of the DTAP inserts, sudden infant death syndrome is listed as a known potential adverse reaction. So that's important for you to know as a parent and really to take that time and dwell within the insert and then develop questions from that before you walk into the doctor's office. So then you already have all the information straight from the .gov resource. And I tell people all the time, don't cite me.

don't cite justtheinsurch.com because as soon as they hear that dot com, they are not gonna listen to you. They've been trained that they can only get information from their external agency memberships or from doc of resources and that's why I share only doc of resources. So if you are taking that information in, just print the insert straight from the FTE website, maybe highlight it, write down some questions and then that's the angle that I would take as a parent.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (46:44.653)
Yeah, I've had these conversations previously on the podcast, just about how physicians are trained. And the unfortunate reality here is that they believe that they need to be right all the time. And they really do see themselves as the authority instead of being like a collaborative relationship where you're back and forth sharing information to help somebody make an informed decision. It's really turned into this authority that you need to follow. And so you were mentioning earlier about your book, how

there's a portion of this, of your book that it's dedicated really in helping people respond to medical coercion, which is really hard because we live in this fear-based culture, right? Like fear of judgment, then you have the fear of disease, you have the fear of making a wrong decision, you have a fear of disappointing the authority. All these things are very challenging. I think you were talking about this dialect that exists too, when you were talking about, when your mother was doing the research, like on one end, it's like, my God, this will kill me.

And then, my God, if I don't, this will kill me. And so many parents are left with, like, there's a, feels like it's a no-win situation.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (47:50.414)
I definitely resonate with anyone that feels that way. And that's why I have an exercise in the training course and on the book called Root of Fear. And it's really writing down all of your fears. And this was born out of the many different types of messages that I would get from people whenever they would first start reading the inserts or seeing my posts on Instagram or on my website. They would either have the fear of, I'm...

really afraid of measles or I'm really afraid of polio or whatever disease that they were afraid of, that's very valid. That's a valid fear for you to have that. So why don't you research that disease a little bit more? Find out how transmission happens. Find out the early symptoms. Find out the potential complications. Find out maybe there's other things that you could be doing in your lifestyle. Maybe your diet or your exercise.

nutrition, sleep, hygiene. There's so many other things that you can do if you truly are worried about that disease that you can help prevent having severe complications from it if you are exposed to it. I think too that we're just have this expectation that we are never to get sick, that we are never to experience viruses or bacteria or whatever in the world. That's just part of life. It's going to happen. So to first go into realizing that

you are not completely helpless. There are many tools at your disposal to prevent and treat disease. And then on the flip side of that, that I would get messages of, well, what if my pediatrician yells at me? Or what if my pediatrician isn't gonna like me getting off my antidepressants? Or I know these are all messages that I've gotten many, many times. And so that is a different fear from a fear of a condition or a disease.

That is a fear of inconveniencing someone, that's a fear of offending them or questioning their authority. And to me, that is a very unhealthy precedent that you wanna set in your healthcare setting that you were accepting a medical product under the coercion or being shamed or silenced into submission. That is very concerning to me because it doesn't matter what product you're getting.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (50:05.632)
even if that product is meant to help you, if you're doing it because of that, that's not informed consent either. I think that's not a very good thing that we need to be encouraging in society. We should have that autonomy. We should have that responsibility and authority to make those decisions. So that's why I think it's very important to write down all your fears and then you can categorize them. And then maybe you can prioritize them and see, okay, is this because...

I fear that I might not have educational employment opportunities if I don't accept these products. Are there mandates in my state? Are there exemptions in my state? Can I advocate for exemptions or to remove mandates altogether? Can I be more involved in that legislative process? So there's a lot of things that are very overwhelming when you first start researching it, but if you write it all down, you can organize it and you can take it.

just step by step, you don't have to eat the elephant in one bite, just little by little start researching it and hopefully be able to have a more confident, knowledgeable decision.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (51:10.541)
Okay, now let's talk about both of our organizations here. Mine's in very early stage development. The Conscious Clinician Collective was inspired because I was getting overwhelmed by emails. How can I find somebody like you? Can you make a referral? Everyone wants to push a psychiatric drug, an antidepressant. We're not getting informed consent. They're all acting like it's safe and almost like it's a happy pill, right? 80 % of these drugs are being.

prescribed in primary care settings where they do not have the adequate knowledge of the drug or even in mental health. Everything's getting pushed like with screening measures to get people to identify as if they're mentally ill really, really early so you can get placed on a drug. It's an entire system that feeds that industry. So my original thought is already to develop a comprehensive website with search engine capabilities where people can attest to a declaration.

not that much different than the Great Barrington Declaration that occurred around epidemiologists around COVID and COVID measures. But just to talk about, hey, there's another way to look about mental health instead of that, you know, your anxiety is some symptom of some underlying disease that nobody tests for, no one can evaluate, no one can identify, that it's, you know, an emotional state and that emotion is a signal and it provides extremely important value for you in your life and trying to rid yourself of every un...

unwelcoming emotion has severe consequences. And then the drugs trying to do that are much more dangerous than you're aware of. And the problem is, is people can't find enough providers across the healthcare spectrum, whether that's psychologists and psychiatrists or therapists, but you your medical doctors as well. And so I'm building that right now. We just did initial fundraising. We just started the building the website, which is an endeavor to hold the search

engine capabilities for internationally really. And then I always saw it as an opportunity to for other people to get information and then I realized that's exactly what you're doing right because I wanted to have information about drugs on there. Do you know anything or have you done any work or you aware of ways that people can find like minded safe health care practitioners I call them conscious.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (53:34.017)
who do respect informed consent and medical freedom. How do we all band together? How do we find these people that we can feel safe and we can trust?

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (53:44.238)
So I know this from experience, trying to find a provider for my daughter when I was trying to figure out what she was injured by and then to seek treatment for that. there are a lot of underground directories. There are a lot of crunchy mom groups out there that will have just simple PDFs of these are the pediatricians in the state or in the city, depending on if the group is down by city level.

But there is no overarching interactive database. Now, Dr. Green Mom does have a static list that she has curated over, I believe the last decade, of providers that are OBGYNs, midwives, and pediatricians. She really focuses on those subgroups. And they are vaccine neutral, or they will allow a...

child to be in their practice, but maybe they have to sign a declination form or maybe there's only delayed schedules that are available. So I know that she has that available for free on her website. What I'm really looking to do, and this is why we got connected, because somebody told me that you were doing something similar. I want it to be as easy as Angie's list or easy as care.com or something like that, where you just log in, you put in what type of provider you're looking for.

your zip code and then all the providers that have opted in to honor parental choice and honor uphold informed consent will populate near you and then you can decide if you want to go with that provider or not. I'm also working on a review system so other people can hold those providers accountable. So if they do experience that provider and maybe it wasn't exactly the experience they were looking for, they can provide reviews on them. And then the option for virtual providers to be on there as well.

So if there are telehealth options. Now I don't plan on allowing anything that would be HIPAA related because that is just a whole nother beast. So it'll be very, mine is going to be very simple where you could just go and their name and phone number and email or website will be listed and then you can go.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (56:00.536)
to their website and schedule and do all of those things. So probably not as robust and mine would be focused on the United States. So I love that you're doing international because I get asked by people in Australia and by people in the UK and Canada for providers and I have no clue because I just focus on the The United States is enough, keeps me busy that for me to think globally is just, I'm just one person, there's no way I could do that. So I love that you're offering that to everybody else.

So that's really what I'm focusing on. I do have that hopefully launching in January, 2025, but you're right. It is hard to be able to develop that from the ground up. I have not come across anything like that, at least for the informed consent space.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (56:44.523)
Yeah, and mine is focused on mental health. So with yours on these medical providers, and especially with vaccines, which are critically important, right? You know, there's probably a way that we can connect and combine to be able to share this information, because I think the goal is the same. just interested to know how are you funding this? Are you just doing this all on your own?

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (56:58.307)
Yeah.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (57:07.902)
So I haven't taken a paycheck from the book. Thankfully, the book is selling really well and I didn't, I self-published, so I have a higher profit margin, which is I'm glad for because my husband was going to be very mad at me if I couldn't compensate all the babysitters that I paid for to write the book. So thankfully, I have broken even and I'm at a little bit of profit, so I'm taking that profit and putting it into the website.

And again, my husband would like me to take a little bit more of a paycheck from that, but I would, this is just like you said, you get so many messages from people saying, I get very urgent requests of a woman who's 37 weeks pregnant and her OB just told her that she has to have something in order to be in her practice. And so now she's 37 weeks pregnant without a provider. Can I help her find someone and I'll...

I'll ask, can I share your requests on my stories and maybe we can find somebody. But that's not sustainable and that's not how I wanna do it. I wanna have that information available to anybody that needs it at any time that they need it. So I would love to work with you and connect with you and maybe find a way that we can support each other. Because the mental health aspect too. When I did my post on Zoloft, I've done even the Ambien post, I got a lot of messages from people.

What most people don't realize too, many of the drugs, the pharmaceuticals used in American labor and delivery, most of them have known adverse reactions of anxiety and depression listed. And postpartum depression is one out of eight women in America. I believe that NIH has that stat. So for a mental health aspect, that would be phenomenal to have that.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (58:51.883)
Yeah, definitely. Have you been connected to any of Bobby Kennedy's team or the Maha movement moving forward? I think you're just such an important resource.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (59:04.27)
They retweeted me Children's self-defense retweeted me and then I actually was able to go to The Senate roundtable in person so I made eye contact with him a few times. I would love to meet him one day I haven't been able to meet him. I did actually get to meet Del Big Tree afterward Because I have I can listed as a resource in my book and so I was able to show him that which was really cool But no, I'm not connected, but I would love to be

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (59:32.011)
Well, hopefully this is the beginning of getting you very connected in various ways because you're an angel. am blown away by the work that you have done and what is now available. And I hope all these podcasts that you go on just brings more traffic to your website and then heightens your profile because you are a wealth of information. You're like a walking encyclopedia because you've done all this research.

yourself, I mean, you probably know a lot more than you've ever really intended to. Like when I think back about my knowledge right now about like SSRIs and other psychiatric drugs, I've never intended to have as much information I do about this because I got obsessed about it. And then I come across doctors who are prescribing it all the time and they might have a 10th of the available information that I've been able to study and it becomes a real challenging conversation because it's well, well, they're, they're the medical doctor.

They have the prescription pad, they have the power. And what we're starting to see in the United States right now is kind of a reckoning here where there is a rising up of the American mother, for the most part, who is protecting their child and protecting their family. And that's the great thing about this is this is the passion of a mother. How many kids do you have now? Passion of a mother with three kids.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (01:00:40.566)
Mm-hmm.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (01:00:51.79)
three.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:00:57.505)
You know, I trust you more than I would my local pediatrician. And that's.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (01:01:02.508)
It's sad, that's sad. But it's true, I hear that all the time.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:01:07.135)
Yeah, I mean, it is sad, but it's also a reality that people just have to face is because there's this assumption because that they are practicing physician, that they have this wealth of knowledge, and they just don't know how the system works or how limited the flow of information is to them, and that they're responding to these protocols. And, well, The Awakening is certainly moving us to create amazing things like this. Alexandra, the name of the book...

where people can purchase your book and the website and Instagram account.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (01:01:39.714)
Well Considered, a Handbook for Making Informed Medical Decisions and you can purchase that from JustTheInserts.com. I'm JustTheInserts on X and Instagram.

Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D, ABPP (01:01:49.549)
Great, all that will be in the show summary as well. Alexandra, I really, really am grateful for meeting you and for being exposed to your work and really grateful for a radically genuine conversation.

Alexandra - Just The Inserts (01:02:02.52)
Thank you so much for having me.