138. The Indoctrinated Brain w/ Michael Nehls, MD, PhD
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (00:02.224)
Welcome to the Radically Genuine Podcast. I am Dr. Roger McFillin. Indoctrination. The word comes from the Latin word doctrina, meaning instruction. The purpose of indoctrination is to implant an ideological narrative into people's brains. A new belief that allows no discussion and no contradiction. The goal is obedient, unthinking conformity.
The means to this end is a controlled selection of information, intensive propaganda, and psychological manipulation up to coercive measures and threats of punishment. That was an excerpt from the book of today's guest. The more skillful the mental manipulation, the more immune the implanted ideological thought system becomes to critical arguments and inner doubts.
Indoctrination is to be understood as a vicious attack on our humanity, on our personality, and ultimately on the most precious thing of all, our freedom of thought. Resisting indoctrination is a lifelong endeavor. It is a matter of preserving one's freedom of thought and search for meaning. In 2021, the World Economic Forum published the book, The Great COVID -19 Reset.
This radical planned transformation of the livelihoods of billions of people, which by 2030 is to include the abolition of privacy and property and the transition to an everyday reality controlled by self -learning AI algorithms. It's already having a profound socio -political impact today. This being pushed by unelected bureaucrats and technocrats who would abolish national sovereignty in the name of a
global New World Order. For society to accept the implementation of such an enslaving operating system, a great mental reset must first take place. How would this happen? You may have already listened to today's guest on Tucker Carlson's podcast or Dr. Drew. If you have already, we'll go further today. I encourage everyone to listen to this carefully.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (02:16.98)
That's that.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (02:29.04)
Because if he is correct, it represents a degree of evil that most people are unable to fathom, which is also a concern to me. This show is not about conspiracy theories or irresponsible speculation. Today's guest is a world renowned and respected physician and researcher. His name is Michael Nels, a German doctor and molecular geneticist. He is author of the fascinating
and frightening book, The Indoctrinated Brain, How to Successfully Fend Off the Global Attack on Your Mental Freedom.
Dr. Michael Nels, welcome to the Radically Genuine Podcast.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (03:12.404)
Thank you very much Roger, thank you very much Sean for inviting me.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (03:17.36)
It's an honor. Let's start with your career prior to COVID. What was your area of specialization? How did this inform your book, your hypothesis?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (03:29.428)
Well, I studied medicine in the first place, but I wanted to go into research, genetic research, in order to find the kind of the fountain of youth gene, as I called it. A gene that might actually, if you manipulate it, gives us a long life with health until the last day. So I called it the fountain of youth gene.
And so I endeavored after my MD work in research, in genetic research, trying to develop technologies to unravel the genetic causes of diseases. And I even developed a technology with others that I called high -speed evolution to come up with essentially a genetic variation and animals with genetic variation for any gene that exists.
with the idea to select those which have an important advantage over the others, like for example health under conditions that are not healthy. For example, the high -fat diet, they actually had animals, these were mice that didn't become fat and obese and develop diabetes based on a mutation, even if they...
were if they were under a high FET, we called it a hamburger and cola diet. Anyway, so we tried to discover those genes and I started that as a chief scientific officer in a company in Germany, but became very quickly the chief executive officer and yeah, jetting through the whole world, trying to fund raising and getting money into the company and so forth.
And I myself became obese. It was a very unhealthy way of living. And I realized that I have to change something. It took me a while. I was short before a heart attack. And I realized I have to change my lifestyle. And my wife and I, we both bought a bicycle. And we started to do some bicycle riding in the evening. I changed my diet a little bit. And since the investors had a key man insurance on my life,
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (05:53.012)
I had to go to the doctor every year to check my status. And after half a year of bicycling and changing my eating habits a little bit, the doctor asked me if I had fallen into the fountain of youth because the diagnostic showed that I had improved dramatically. And so that question changed everything for me. At that moment, I realized...
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (06:07.472)
Mm -hmm.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (06:20.052)
that it's not our genes, it's the way we handle our life. And it's more the, not the genetics, it's more the, what I call, mimetics, you know, the art, how culture evolved, and the way we think we are outside of nature and don't have to respond to any natural laws based on our evolutionary history. So anyway, I started to dig into that because...
I was still in search of the fountain of youth, even though I realized I will never find it in my genes, or in any genes, I will find it only in understanding how a lifestyle essentially affects our health. And so I came up with a formula, which is also in my book now, so it's very close to what we are discussing today. It's called the Matuthali formula, the formula to become old and wise.
I developed by studying what we call nowadays the blue zones, but I think the term didn't exist 20 years ago. So actually, at least I didn't encounter it at the time. So I studied what we now call the blue zones and found differences and it developed a formula which essentially encompasses all the areas of our life, including a purpose in life. And...
And you just alluded to the purpose in life, for example, fighting indoctrination. It's one of the purposes in life that we have, that we stay open -minded until the last day to be able to guide our family as older people in the family. That is the purpose of getting old, getting wise, but you can only get wise if you stay mentally active and...
and start to be able to rediscover life every day. So anyway, with this formula, I realized it's a formula not only for healthy life, it's essentially a formula against Alzheimer's. Because I realized most of the aspects help us to reduce the risk. And if you actually use the complete formula, the likelihood of developing Alzheimer's is close to zero. Alzheimer's starts in our...
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (08:38.292)
autobiographical memory center. So I studied for 15 years the autobiographical memory in much detail. I actually published a paper in 2016, in 2016 called the Unified Theory of Alzheimer's Disease where I show that specific functions of the autobiographical memory center are required to stay alert the whole life, to keep your mind intact and avoid Alzheimer's.
And with this in mind, we end up 2020. And in 2020, I realized all areas that I developed in my formula against Alzheimer's, which is the same formula against indoctrination, that all the aspects I could check off are essentially harmed. Every area, for example, we need to be physically active, but we are not allowed to go in the sports club. We need to be socially active, but we have the unsocial distancing.
We need a purpose in life, but all the businesses were shut down and so forth. So everything I realized was essentially making this whole area of mental health more problematic. And you have to understand the ability of our autobiographical memory center to stay healthy our whole lives, maybe to put it more into a metaphor.
It's like our diary, our daily diary. And when we are born, we don't know how long our life will be. So we don't know how big this diary has to become. And in order to be able, even with the age of 100 years, to have a few pages left where we can scribble down new memories, new adventures, new thoughts, and add them to our complete wisdom and...
richness of experience, this memory center has this unique ability in our brain to produce new nerve cells. These new nerve cells are required to essentially produce new pages every day in our, let's say, autobiographical memory, in our mental diary. And these new nerve cells not only are necessary that we can remember new things which are without overriding previous memories so that we don't...
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (11:04.084)
forget things by learning new stuff. These new cells are also the neuronal correlate for curiosity, for psychological resilience. And actually they provide the mental energy for thinking. And where I just submitted a paper to Frontiers of Behavioral Neuroscience to make that point. So these new production of new nerve cells, which I realized is the
cause of Alzheimer's if the production is down. It's also the cause of depression. All the under -depressive medicines that we know of do nothing else that enhance the production of these new nerve cells in the hippocampus, which is the anatomical correct term for our autobiographical memory center. It's called hippocampus because it looks like a seahorse. But it's only the size of a thumb and has only a limited capacity for memory every day.
And so every night when we sleep there's an upload of the memory content, but the information where and when we have remembered something stays in the hippocampus and that's what the new nerve cells are for. They essentially allow us to memorize where and when we had a thought, where and when we had an encounter which we want to memorize, where and when we celebrated birthday, whatever. So these new nerve cells have a lot of important functions.
And in summary, that means curiosity, ability to think, psychological resilience, and the page turn essentially for our memory, our autobiographical memory. All these functions together I call our mental immune system.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (12:50.544)
Dr. Nels, you said something really important regarding some of the shifts that you had when you took care of your health, is that you came to the conclusion that we cannot remove ourselves from all of nature, right? I want to get your thoughts on the scientific community or some in the scientific community who do believe that we can create a better human through technology.
It seems like there was this genetic determinism that was driving some of your science and your research until you began to see the role of a human being in connection with the greater whole. Can you explain to me a little bit about what the philosophy of those who are genetic determinists and scientists and believe we can use this technology to enhance the human race versus kind of where you are now?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (13:44.788)
Well, if you tell people that you are in a position that you can enhance humans, then you also are convincing in doing that, then of course you have total control over these humans. That's the first thing I think why people do that. If you have control, because if you have the technology and people want to have that technology, because otherwise they would be inferior humans, then of course you are in total control.
If you can give something to people and people want it, then you are the master of the universe. And it's already happening. And I actually gave a talk about six weeks ago based on an invitation of the foreign minister of Switzerland. There was every year now since 2022, there is what we call the IC forum. It's International Cooperation Forum.
where NGOs from about 100 countries, or above 100 countries worldwide, meet together with representatives of governments. About 1500 people were present and for whatever reason, I don't know, I was invited to give a key lecture, a keynote. And the keynote, I was asked to answer the question, what the brain needs to think peace. Actually, the whole thing you will find on my YouTube channel, I...
I was asked 10 minutes before my speech to remove half of my slides, which I didn't do. And I gave the lecture. Actually, I had dinner before I gave the talk in the evening before with the Swiss ambassador who is in the US Security Council at the moment in the United States, in New York. And she actually read my book and she had a lot of questions.
And of course, they realized that I'm where I come from. So there was a lot of hectic, but I was able to give my talk. And in this talk, to answer your question, I gave an example of transhumanism. And the example was quite simple. I was able to show, which I also show in my book, The Inductive Brain, that nobody would have died, or essentially nobody would have died from COVID if we just had increased the vitamin D level in the population.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (16:08.98)
This is shown with sufficient number of publications which in my mind show without doubt that the lack of vitamin D is the major cause of death of respiratory disease. It's also the major cause why it's a seasonal disease, why it comes in winter, for example here in Germany, and disappears miraculously in summer because the vitamin D level goes up. So the vitamin D deficiency is the major reason and that was shown not only by
by studies who show a relationship. It's actually shown already that there's a causal relationship. Anyway, so this was all shown. But despite the fact there was a fabricated paper with which in my book I showed the mistakes that are made maybe on purpose in this paper. I would actually assume it's on purpose, which led the editorial board.
from the New England Journal of Medicine tell the scientific and medical community that nobody needs vitamin D even if there's a deficiency. And the doctor should stop screening for vitamin D levels, I mean vitamin D pro -hormone, that's what we measure in the blood, that they should stop recommend vitamin D and that nobody should take vitamin D to support his life. Okay, that was the 2022 parallel.
paper appeared in the Lancet showing that people who got the mRNA shots in Sweden, it was about a million Swedish people who got the two shots and then a million people as a control group which didn't accept this mRNA program. And they showed that after six or seven months the effect of the mRNA was gone, which is not explained by
by actually an immunization that takes place because the memory of our immune system would stay for many, many years and not just a few months. It's more like the most likely explanation I actually offer in my book, The Indocneated Brain, is that the immune system is damaged, not able to create what we call a cytokine storm. The cytokine storm is the actual reason why people have a severe cause of the disease and might die from the disease.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (18:36.308)
So it's actually the immune system that is dysregulated that kills people. And this dysregulation is based on the lack of vitamin D, which is as a hormone, a genetic regulator of the immune system. So anyway, so the New England Journal of Medicine tells us we don't need vitamin D. The strange thing is that after seven or eight months in this Swedish study, which is published in The Lancet, it's shown that people are worse off.
if they got the shots seven to eight months prior than those who refrained from getting those shots. So the logic behind that would be, OK, if this stuff appears to be dangerous, it makes my immune system or myself more vulnerable to a severe cause. But the result or the explanation or the suggestion of the researchers who published the study was not.
stop that stuff, stop it. They said actually, no, the information we got now from this study is that we have all right now to propose a third shot. So if you think about it, so the one channel says we don't need vitamin D, which essentially would provide a natural healthy way to stay healthy from the infection.
And at the same time, Lancet proposes we need more shots in such a situation. And that's, in my opinion, is transhumanism because we replace a natural way to protect ourselves evolved over millions of years and kind of live in this assumption that
We had made a genetic leap that we don't need vitamin D anymore, but our life is now depending on the shots given regularly every six to seven months. And that's not only transhumanism. I actually suggest that it's actually posthumanism because a paper came recently out that the likelihood of dying from the injection is about 3 .4 times higher than dying from the infection.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (20:53.332)
Now, if it's 3 .4 to 1, and the 1 becomes close to 0 because you can just by raising the vitamin D level, meaning the injection is actually almost, the number becomes so increasing high that it's hugely deadly. And so we replace something hugely deadly with something natural, which means essentially we are.
not only in the transhumanism area, we are also entering now a posthumanism area.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (21:29.328)
Dr. Nels, what was the theory that they were putting out there as to why you do not need vitamin D anymore? What was the conclusion that they were trying to draw?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (21:40.436)
There are several things. First of all, the lack of vitamin D leads to actual cytokine storms in case of an infection. And that means actual death, which you can claim are based on the COVID infection. Of course, if you know that this could be inhibited or you could be protected by vitamin D, means from that perspective, vitamin D, lack of vitamin D is the cause of the death, in my opinion.
But in the public, the narrative opinion, the narrative that we are told, it's COVID who is deadly. And if COVID is deadly, we need something else that helps us. And of course, it can't be vitamin D. We are told we don't need vitamin D. So the only alternative that politicians here in Germany and probably worldwide told us is now that the mRNA is the lifesaver.
like the Lancet paper told us. So in a sense, the lack of vitamin D in the population propagated by many, many different means is essentially the cause why people accepted the mRNA injection. Because if nobody dies from the infection, of course, many people died because the PCR was positive. And the assumption was, OK, you have a
You have a car accident. And if you're positive by PCR, of course, you are COVID. You died by COVID. But we all know that at the end of the day, you need somebody who really died from COVID, meaning he really had a cytokine storm and a respiratory disease. And those cases,
that wouldn't exist if you enhance the immune system by just giving the immune system what it needs.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (23:43.888)
Dr. Nels, prior to COVID, what was your understanding of mRNA technology and research? And then I want to get your thoughts of when they started to roll this out. It was around COVID where I think the global population became aware of mRNA for the first time, and then it got pushed on us very quickly. So as a physician and researcher, what was your understanding of the technology and what were your initial thoughts when they tried to push that on the global population?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (24:06.58)
I mean, I was working in the genetics lab for over 20 years and I isolated mRNA from all kinds of tissues and created libraries from the mRNA by reverse transcribing them into DNA, which is more stable. And the stable DNA can then be used to screen for genes and for the discover novel genes and so forth. So it was a tool I used.
on a daily basis. mRNA is one of the molecules that are highly unstable. Highly unstable. So when I heard about mRNA, I couldn't believe it. It's the most unstable yajnaic material you can find. When I worked with mRNA, I didn't even was allowed to breathe into the tube because that's already sufficient to.
because we have RNAs, that's enzymes that degrade RNA in everywhere around us. This is kind of, in every cell, in every tissue, in our saliva, everywhere is RNAs. So it's very, very easy to degrade RNA. But then I learned that they actually modified the RNA to make it less degradable. They put in what we call pseudouridine.
In the pseudo -uridine, it was just a paper coming out. It came out a few months ago in spring 2024. And that paper showed that this uridine insertion, while stabilizing the mRNA, leading to a higher production of the spike protein, which, of course, as we all know, is highly toxic, particularly with the furin inclusion site that was bioengineered into the spike protein.
to make it a bio weapon. And that was untouched in the mRNA that people now get injected. It's unbelievable, actually, if you think about that. But anyway, this pseudo -uridine insertion changes the way the cells work. It, for example, activates what we call interferon pathway that essentially reduces the activity of the immune system.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (26:26.292)
mounting an immune response. So in effect, by using this modified mRNA, you not only extend the lifetime of the mRNA, you increase the number of protein produced from this genetic template, but you also suppress the immune response, which explains that people don't develop immunity. So the question is, what's the purpose behind that? So the purpose is obviously not
to have people have a good immune response and being immune against the next infection. And people knew that. I mean, here in Europe, they bought immediately 15 doses per person in Europe. Immediately, they bought 15 dosages of the mRNA. If you think about it, if you have a tetanus shot, for example, you get one every 10 years or so.
But they bought 15 shots immediately. So they knew quite well that there will be no immune response. The purpose is to get a regular injection, as the Lancet paper suggested, every six months. And the injection makes sure that you have a high level of spike protein in your body. And as I show in the book, the urine cleavage site was inserted based on a suggestion of a think tank to DARPA in 2018.
Actually, the sequence that was eventually inserted is identical to the sequence patented by Moderna in 2016. So that was not, yeah, it was no incidence, I guess. But anyway, what is the purpose of that? And what really happens is that the furin cleavage site leads to the cleavage of the spike protein once produced from the template, the mRNA. And the...
developed and then of course it released is what we call the S1 subunit, the spike S1 subunit, and it was shown now that the S1 subunit is very efficient in entering the brain. And it was already shown in 2002 -2003 when SARS -CoV -1, the predecessor of SARS -CoV -2, was developed and tried to make a pandemic, which of course it failed, but papers came out a few years later, 2006 -2007,
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (28:49.972)
which showed that the spike protein is able to activate the innate immune system by producing a pro -inflammatory cytokine profile. That means you have the pro -inflammatory cytokines, particularly in the brain, and they lead to a shutdown of the production of new nerve cells in the hippocampus. And now we come full circle. I explained already that the production of the new nerve cells in the hippocampus are required for
the functioning of our mental immune system, of our memory, of our curiosity, of our ability to think, and of course, our psychological resilience. And so the question is only, how do I get enough spike protein into the brain if this is my purpose? If I really want to shut down the mental immune system of people to make them, to first of all, be in a position to easier rule these people, to drive them with anxiety, for example, because if you have a lower psychological resilience,
then of course, Anjiety can be used to guide these people. Yeah, please go ahead.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (29:56.144)
I just want to make sure I'm hearing you correctly. And that is to also summarize this for our audience. What you are stating is that the COVID infection and repeated mRNA, quote unquote, vaccinations are actually a weapon of war on our mental capacities to critically think, problem solve, and potentially even resist any measures that might be implemented.
it has that degree of effect on our mental capacities. Is that accurate?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (30:28.084)
That's totally accurate and you can actually measure it clinically. So as I already published a unified theory of Alzheimer's disease, the shutdown based on a lifestyle that is not healthy, that most people live nowadays, Alzheimer's is almost inevitable unless you die from something else. It's already number three. It was number three of the...
of death in Europe and in the Americas in 2019. So it's number three. So it's really a leading cause of death and of course of disease. But also a leading cause of death of disease is depression. It was the number one disease in 2017, 2018. Now, depression is a consequence that life events, events that are not so good,
in your life lead you into a depressive state. Some people, of course, experience the same thing and don't fall into depression. What's the difference? The difference is usually they have a higher level of resilience. They have a higher level of psychological resilience to stressors. But if you shut down the production of these nerve cells, then the resilience goes down and the likelihood of developing depression goes up.
So a success measure of how to shut, when you shut down the production of these nerve cells, a measure of success is do the depression rates go up? Do the Alzheimer's rates go up? Do the anxiety levels go up? And does the chronic exhaustion go up? And I can check all four items. Yeah, Sean.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (32:18.16)
So my clarifying question is it's the spike protein that's causing this S one. Sorry. I'm not a, I'm not a, I don't understand all the specifics of it. So is it, if I were to naturally be exposed to COVID, which is, has the spike protein is the difference between I was naturally exposed to COVID versus the repeated vaccine, which is keeping that spike protein going through that blood.
brain barrier that's causing the problem. What's the distinguishing factor between those two?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (32:53.204)
There are several factors, but they are only quantitatively, not qualitatively. So that's why in one case, in the infection, we talk about long COVID as our brain fog long -term based on the shutdown and the inflammation you have in the brain. We call that inflammation because it takes place in the brain, neuroinflammation. But it's the same spikopathy as we can call it also, because from the spike protein, spikopathy.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (33:04.464)
Mm -hmm.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (33:22.612)
when we talk about post -vec, which is also causing brain fog by the same mechanism. But its quantitative difference is there, not the qualitative difference. In both cases, you're exposed to the S1 subunit. But with the long, the post -vec situation is that, first of all, the mRNA is longer stable. The infection is usually a few weeks, maximum maybe two weeks, three weeks, ideally under vitamin D, maybe a few days.
And it's over. Second, the mRNA, because it's stabilized, really is alive for a long time, six, eight months, most likely even longer. So if you get the second shot, you have essentially mRNA forever in your system and despite in production as well. And second, of course, the mRNA is packaged, what we call lipid nanoparticles. And the lipid nanoparticles were specifically developed
to enter the brain. So besides the production in your body that develops where S1 subunits are produced and circulate to the bloodstream and a portion of that goes into the brain, you actually have the mRNA in your brain as well, which does not happen with the virus. The virus is not able to enter the brain.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (34:23.888)
Mm.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (34:43.376)
So if you are naturally infected and then you have an immune response and your body is relatively healthy and you're able to overcome that COVID -19 infection, is there lasting neurological effects to becoming infected?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (35:02.612)
The potential is there. The problem is the spike protein is what I call, what's the English word for that? Fire accelerant. That's the word, fire accelerant. You see most diseases that cause death in modern societies, so civilatory diseases, are based on what we call silent inflammation. The way we eat, the lack of physical activity and so forth.
lead to chronic inflammation, which we call silent inflammation. We don't have fever. We don't have the effects of an acute respiratory infection, which is, of course, also an inflammation. We call it silent inflammation because it's kind of simmering. It's kind of low level. It's almost like if you have a fire that doesn't really burn well. But then you have this fire accelerant, the S1 subunit.
and it increases the speed and the fire becomes more heated. And if you imagine, it takes decades to develop Alzheimer's based on the silent inflammation, which shuts down slightly the production of the nerve cells in your brain. But if you have the S1 subunit present, this fire is accelerated and it goes quicker. You see that now most people,
didn't die immediately after the injection. It took sometimes a few days, sometimes a few months. It might even take years. So the only way to make the connection is actually by statistics. And we see now that we get a high increase of diseases from which most people would die anyway. So if you have an arteriosclerosis, you might die from a stroke or from a heart attack. But it might take.
10 years or 15 years from now until the destiny strikes. But if you have the S1 subunit in your system, the whole fire is accelerated. And you might die not in 15 years, but maybe in five years. But if you die in five years, nobody makes a connection to the S1 subunit because you die from natural causes. But if the natural causes are becoming more and more frequent, like excess death,
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (37:28.276)
accelerated cancer, all the things that we are seeing right now, then we can make a connection. Now coming back to your question, what the S1 subunit from the infection is usually not that long active. Of course, you need to get rid of it in the brain. In the brain, it was shown it stays for a longer time and you need to take measures to protect your brain. And I'm talking about that in my book, but also,
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (37:34.224)
Which is frightening.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (37:56.564)
offering an additional alternative to first of all get rid of the neuroinflammation, but also to enhance the degradation of the spike protein. And that is what comes into play. If we might want to talk about that, it's lithium.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (38:13.136)
Yeah, we're definitely going to get into that because I know at this point, a lot of people are probably really frightened because what you're doing is you're pretty much communicating that COVID and the mRNA vaccines were a bio weapon against humanity with clear harms. And those who are experts in this area and other scientists who've been ringing the alarm bells on this.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (38:19.092)
Yeah.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (38:37.488)
and they were ringing the alarm bells sometimes right from the beginning, like Dr. Robert Malone, for example, who's one of the original patent holders for mRNA technology was very clear that this is not what we should be using. There's a lot of dangers to this and Dr. Nels, you've done a great job of kind of articulating what those dangers are. And so we are going to get into other aspects of your book. I read your book, but let's build there first. So is it clear that your opinion that COVID -19
was a bio weapon employed upon us to usher in this great reset that was published around the same time.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (39:15.924)
Yeah, it makes a lot of sense. I mean, it goes full circle again. I mean, you already alluded to that the book came out from Claude Schwab in 2020, I think it was June or July, when he published the COVID -19 and the Great Reset. The Great Reset actually was a term coined by Prince Charles at the time in June 2020, now King Charles from England, Great Britain.
He actually coined the term and said it's a golden opportunity that we have COVID now to essentially implement a new operating system on society. It will affect how we socially interact. So even it's an unsocial operating system, I coined it in my book Social Operating System, because we can abbreviate it by SOS. I like that. So anyway, this social operating system has to be implemented. And you already alluded to...
that we will live in 2030, that's the key number I guess we have to keep in mind. All the global development goals had a hint to 2030. Documents which I found in the German government. Archives will clearly tell us that with 2030 we enter a post -voting society that based on what has been learned from China, we will have an...
a system and a social operating system where people are scoured by their behavior. In a post -voting society, and Schwartz says, there will be no privacy anymore because everything that we do needs to be controlled. And there will be no money anymore unless the cash money will disappear. So they will have total control what you are spending if you're allowed to spend something based on your...
social scores and all will be supervised by artificial intelligence by that time. And so this is what we are heading and of course nobody in with this right mind would accept that. So in order to accept such a new operating system and we all know if you want to install a new operating system on a computer the only way to make sure it runs properly is to erase the previous one.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (41:39.444)
and my book shows how that could be done.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (41:43.408)
When you're on Tucker Carlson's program, he opened it up by saying, really, there's two ways to usher this in. You could put a gun to everyone's head and threaten violence, which is probably not realistic. Or you can really do a couple of things, create mass chaos and crises along with bio weapons that would affect critical thought, resistance, and a number of things. And it looks like that's exactly what is happening.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (41:44.212)
for trails.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (42:13.584)
So right now, the United States is undergoing mass transformation. When you have complete open borders in the manner in which we have open borders, then you can see the potential for mass chaos. And there's other things that are happening too, which include like the devaluing of the US dollar, which is the world's currency. And,
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (42:13.876)
Right now, it's a good state.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (42:39.568)
A number of other like assaults, I think on our individual freedoms and rights that we have given over in the past the last 15, 20, 30 years through various forms of legislation that come after crises. So I know the United States in itself, as a sovereign nation, as a nation that has the illusion of democracy, and the American people in itself, you know, generally speaking, value the US Constitution.
There's no way this global agenda can be initiated unless the United States falls in its current, you know, in its current form. So what I was most concerned about, and I have to ask you this question, and my brother's across from me too, because I saw it in him. I saw it in him and I didn't know if it was his natural personality or it was the influence of multiple conflating factors. Like, so I found my brother and other family members,
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (43:25.3)
So much.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (43:36.18)
Yeah.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (43:38.416)
unable to critically think during COVID, like they became incapacitated by the fear. Now, is it possible that it's also other factors like the infection itself, you know, fear mongering, fear propaganda, as well as other lifestyle factors that primed them to not critically think? Because it was shocking to me that people would take an experimental vaccination for
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (43:49.108)
So much for listening.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (43:59.348)
Money?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (44:07.22)
Yeah.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (44:07.536)
what amounted for a cold for us. Like we are healthy, relatively young. I got it. Apparently, I hardly even knew I had it. The data was very clear that for young, healthy people, you're going to overcome this. But there was this mass hysteria where people were like forced to have to do to socially isolate, to wear masks, to distance from each other. You shut down.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (44:24.692)
This is superior.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (44:35.312)
you shut down the gyms and what you did is you kept open like the liquor stores and the beer stores. And none of this made sense to me. And why would I put something new into my body without knowing anything about it? When there's scientists that are really ringing the alarm bells. And when that happens, they become censored. It all seems so very clear.
but I would look into the eyes of other people and it was like a blank stare and they had to follow the authority and it was just, it was fear. But is it also possible that that's a lot of other factors that are influencing this?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (45:16.18)
Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I mean, I already discussed with you the mental immune system is required to respond efficiently and with caution to changes that are dangerous to our life. And one question, should we stop maybe because you have problems or shall I just continue?
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (45:40.496)
No, we're okay. We're okay. I'm just checking some things you can keep going
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (45:42.836)
Yeah, I just want to make sure that I'm not talking to you. And it's not not I don't know. Anyway, I know I mean, we discussed already that in 2018, 2019, two or three markers actually of dysfunctional mental immune system in society were at the highest ever. So it's not like this happened out of out of nothing. It was actually the perfect timing to implement the next.
next level of indoctrination in 2020. So the time was ripe because a large proportion of society has a dysfunctional mental immune system based on the fact that depression rates were never higher than recorded than before 1918, 1919. Never ever that the Alzheimer's disease as a long -term consequence of a dysfunctional hippocampus.
mental immune system had the highest level ever recorded. And actually at the time I published a book in Germany, which became a national bestseller called The Exhausted Brain, where I show that the chronic exhaustion of society is based on the dysfunction of the hippocampus. And I finished the book in summer 2020. And in my last strokes, in my book, the last words I put in the book, I said,
I predict that we will have a large increase in Alzheimer's and depression based on the COVID measures in 2020. And in fact, there was a paper published a few months after I published my book in fall 2020 that based on this high level of depression worldwide and of course also in the United States, we had a threefold increase based on the measures in 2020 in the first half year in the United States.
In Germany, there is a poll from the German Alzheimer's Association, and they showed that in 2018, we had about 330 ,000 new cases of Alzheimer's and dementia in Germany. And we had a rise by 31 % in three years. So in 2021, we had a 31 % increase in the age group 65 plus. In the age group 65 minus, you usually don't have Alzheimer's.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (48:10.964)
only 1 % of all cases. We had an increase from 1 % cases below 65 to 25 % below 65. That means we have an incredible increase of Alzheimer's and acceleration of the disease. So first of all, people were ripe for that program. The mental immune system was down and based on the measures, which essentially brought us from an
a lifestyle that is far away from natural to an even more unnatural lifestyle enhanced all these pathologies.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (48:49.84)
So we were primed for this, but you're also then stating that potentially we've been somewhat poisoned for decades or years. I know in the United States, we have great concerns about our food source, for example, like the chemical additives, the glyphosate, the pesticides, processed food. Low magnesium. I mean, yeah, that's, I think, a consequence. But there's so many problems with maybe our food and our water source.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (48:56.468)
Thanks for watching!
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (49:19.536)
Do you believe it's possible that we've kind of been intentionally poisoned in some way that affects this inflammation?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (49:24.628)
Before 2020 I thought it's just an oversight or a desinterest because not taking care of the quality of food of course increases the money you make on food. The less you have to take care of quality, the more money you can make. But based on hindsight now 2020, hindsight is 2020 and in this case it's actually 2020 when I got the hindsight.
I think there's more purpose behind that than we think of. Even things that I didn't even think of now come to mind. For example, everybody was forced to clean their hands with disinfectants all the time. But these disinfectants usually contain alcohol or something else that is flammable. And so there are substances in there which are inhibiting or
protecting us that it easily combusts and burns. So, and these substances were shown now to inhibit the function of the hippocampus. And it was shown that children who were most eager cleaning their hands and disinfecting their hands have now most problems in school. Though the level of these chemicals in their bloodstream,
correlates with the inability to function in school. So is this on purpose? Is it not on purpose? I don't know, but everything points in the same direction and the goal, if you, I mean, all these things are kind of really say, okay, it's purpose, it's not purpose. It's very difficult to say, but what I know was done on purpose is putting the mRNA with the poisonous urine cleavage site.
intact into humans, even in children, and at the same time making propaganda against the natural protection like vitamin D. So if I put this together, I mean, I'm a scientist, but I let my readers be the judge or the jurors to judge for themselves, but I think it's quite obvious.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (51:42.128)
It is quite obvious and you'd have to ignore a lot of clear facts. I mean, they're not hiding this anymore. The World Economic Forum and that leadership of like bureaucrats and technocrats, they're certainly in no way hiding their ultimate agenda. Like it's in plain sight.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (51:57.236)
Yeah, I mean, it's really amazing. For example, Macron, you know, the president of France, they published, they just had a new law entering essentially the public, a new law, Article 4, which puts you under the risk of going to jail if you say anything against mRNA vaccines. So, I mean, this is tough, you know.
I mean, I'm just living 20 miles away from France here. And usually I use my bicycle to ride over there because they have a nice landscape, but I have to be careful now in the future.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (52:37.552)
And it seems like they're attempting to have control of the food source and a number of other things that would certainly negatively affect our health. I want to know in your opinion, what do you think is the final solution or the ultimate goal here for these bureaucrats and technocrats?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (52:53.908)
Well, I mean, the fear that is installed into humans, I mean, in the narratives, and this is where the indoctrination really takes place, is that if you shut down the production of these nerve cells in the hippocampus, not only shut down the mental immune system, make people more afraid, more acceptable to everything that you tell them, and of course, reduce their curiosity and their ability to think, it also leads to the fact that everything that is
is information that is fear -mongered into your brain actually enters your brain, will be memorized, but on the cost of your previous prior memories. So you erase essentially the hard drive in a way like you would erase the hard drive in a computer when you insert a new operating system. And this operating system is based on fear narratives. You already alluded to a few of them.
These fear narratives are usually of global nature. So it's the global fear of a third world war based on Ukraine or Israel or whatever happens anywhere in the world right now. It's always like the fear of the war being global. Then of course the world economy forum in their risk reports talk about perma pandemics. So perma pandemics or everlasting pandemics.
Then, of course, you have the climate issue. You make CO2 the culprit. And then, of course, the culprit. If CO2 is the culprit, then humans are the major source of CO2. And they are the culprit. And so humanity itself needs to be saved by removing humanity. But these are all global issues. And if you are fear mongered and indoctrinated well enough, then you realize that's what the problem is.
The next level of the narrative is, and we already see that with the World Health Organization contracts, that at the end of the day, we need a global government. Only a global government can solve that. Not the United States for itself can solve it, not Germany can solve it, not a single country in the world can solve it. So we need a global government. And that's the final line. Once the global government is installed, then I think they have achieved their goal.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (55:19.568)
So here's my other question and then I'm going to take another viewpoint on this just as throwing it out as a theory. So during the whole COVID period, there was maybe 25 % of the people that rejected it, that refused to get the vaccine. And what we're talking about is very scary and the idea of a social operating system. To me, that's extremely scary. That's in itself putting fear. Is that possibly to...
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (55:25.3)
and that's in the hands of my family. So, a couple of good periods.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (55:33.78)
and use it to get the right seat.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (55:49.488)
put that fear into the other 25 % of the population that we're rejecting and going away just to kind of balance out this fear response that we're all feeling in some capacity.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (55:59.764)
I think actually they are failing at the moment. I mean, in my opinion, they are failing and I hope that my work contributed a little bit to that. But of course, I'm not the only one. There are many people, I mentioned already a few, who started from the beginning on telling people what's wrong. They see now, many people see now, even though they don't believe it yet, many start now to see that the vaccine, I actually wouldn't call it a vaccine because the vaccination was not the purpose.
the mRNA genetic program. And I even wouldn't call it experimental because I'm pretty sure they knew exactly what they were doing. It's not experimental for them. It was experimental maybe from our point of view, but from their point of view, they knew exactly what they are up to, in my opinion. So I wouldn't call it experimental and I wouldn't call it a vaccination. So the genetic modification of humans, let's call it this, rather, rather...
what it is, I think it failed at the end because, and I really sincerely hope it has failed, because more and more people realize that a lot of harm was done to them and that the 25 % who didn't respond to the fear monitoring who preserved their ability are now becoming a larger group. They tend to tell others,
Okay, I understand that you followed this narrative because you were under fear, you didn't get the right information to begin with, because that was, of course, the government made sure and the media made sure that you only got one narrative and nothing else. The censorship was there. So I can understand that because, to be perfectly honest,
up to 2020, I actually believed in the CO2 narrative. I mean, personally, I changed a few chapters of previous books because, for example, I wrote a book called the Algae Oil Revolution, where I show that the lack of aquatic omega -3 fatty acids contribute to Alzheimer's depression and the lack of mental abilities in all societies.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (58:22.42)
You have to assume that we need an omega -3 index of 11%. That would be ideal. 2 % is not, you cannot sustain life. And 4 % is what you have in America at the moment, United States. So you're close to a level that is where life cannot be sustained. And we need a solution. The solution would be eat more fish, but there is not enough fish out there. The fish is contaminated. So I wrote a book, it's called The Algae Oil Revolution, showing that. And actually calculated that,
If just Germany would produce the algae oil that is required for the whole world to raise the omega -3N index from the average of 5 % to the 11%, which would be perfect for mental health, the algae would essentially consume all the carbon dioxide that the German society is producing. In a side sentence, in alternative I said,
And that would, of course, take care of the climate change. And meanwhile, I know that it's wrong. So I changed that sentence. And so from my point of view, since I'm not a physicist and a climate specialist, the narrative about the CO2, I believed because I didn't have an alternative to think about.
Now, of course, in hindsight again, 2020, I realized this whole discussion was one -sided and I started to read other books and listen to other scientists. And now I have a completely different view. But I can understand that the narrative can take hold of you, that you don't question it if you're not a specialist. But now, I mean, having said that, whatever I just said, I think it is possible for people to change.
I was able to change based on the climate narrative and I hope that people are able to change on the medical narratives and that we actually use the trauma that we have all suffered through 2020, 2021 and still maybe that we use this as our big chance to change something. Because to be perfectly honest, even before 2020, the world was not okay. I mean, we had the highest depression rates, we had...
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:00:43.184)
Right.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:00:45.908)
Alzheimer's on the rise. All these things show that the mental capacity of humanity was under attack. But now we know why it happened, how it happened, and now we can change it.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:00:59.504)
Dr. Nels, I'm a clinical psychologist and I treat post -traumatic stress disorder. So I'm aware of the literature on how chronic stress and fear affects the brain. So within your book and you're describing the impact of COVID and mRNA technology on the hippocampus and brain structure, how do we distinguish between the effect on the brain from COVID versus just chronic stress?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:01:00.5)
It's a very interesting thing to do.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:01:09.364)
Mm -hmm.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:01:29.78)
I think it's almost impossible because chronic stress leads to the excretion of molecules by the nerve cells, hyperactive nerve cells, stressed nerve cells, which we call danger associated molecular patterns. Heat shot proteins and other molecules which should not be outside the nerve cell. If they are outside the nerve cell, it's kind of a brain damage caused by chronic stress. And besides,
that chronic stress elevates steroid hormones, which are also harmful to the hippocampus. But this chronic stress of the cells leads to the activation of the immune cells by a receptor we call TLR4. And the same receptor is a receptor for the spike protein. So essentially, both chronic stress and the spike protein all activate the same receptor on the same cells.
causing neuroinflammation. And that's why the same remedy, which I was proposing already in my paper in 2016, to inhibit or to stop the inflammatory response to stress or to infection, we also know that chronic infection causes Alzheimer's, exactly by this mechanism, is by inhibiting the signal cascade from TLR4 to the activation of these pro -inflammatory cytokines.
in these cells, which shut down the hippocampus. So, and doing that is the signal molecule that I'm proposing is called GSK3b. Its natural inhibitor is lithium, and it's maybe no coincidence that, for example, in Europe, lithium, I mean, lithium in microdose, not in the therapeutic doses, which are also almost toxic doses.
that are used for bipolar disorder, this microdosed lithium, which you get actually by over -the -counter in the United States. In Europe, you need actually a prescription from a physician. Imagine the microdosed lithium, which is essentially essential. The essential dose of lithium, which shuts down neuroinflammation and actually activates
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:03:53.3)
neurogenesis in the hippocampus, the production of the neurocells in the hippocampus. This microdosed lithium, which those who find usually in fish, for example, in fish from the ocean, that's actually, which I describe in my book, the algae oil revolution as the historical source of lithium for the development of the human brain in evolution. And it was a natural source for many, many tens of thousands of years.
And now it becomes a necessity. And if we have a lack of lithium in our brain, then we are more prone to neuroinflammation. And I can see lots of these results now that I started to propose that to the broad public. We see that we get a reduction in brain fog. We see a reduction in depression. And for example, children with anxiety disorders or children with attention deficit disorders.
I worked very close with a pediatrician. He says it's like a miracle drug. One, and it's not even a drug, we just give the children the amount of lithium that would be natural to them if they were able to eat fish every day. So it's not like a drug, it's almost like remedying a deficiency. And if we remedy the deficiency, if you balance out the deficiency, children are
suddenly able to attend school again, able to sleep again, and the fear goes down. It's amazing. I mean, I'm writing a book about this right now. It's called Lithium for Life. And I think it's really important people know that. And that's just one of the things actually I see at the moment. I see a big chance in COVID to make people understand what is natural to us, what our mind, our brain and our body needs. And if people understand that, then we will live all in a different world.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:05:50.704)
Yeah, you're, you're bringing up something that came up in a previous conversation we had with Dr. James Greenblatt and he talked about a study that had come out with the natural occurring lithium levels in our drinking water supply here in the United States. And it was a, maybe like a correlation study that was showing those levels and rates of depression. And there was a strong correlation and just.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:05:51.028)
and we'll take a look at it in a minute.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:06:10.868)
Absolutely. This is not only in the United States. There are about 20 such studies worldwide in Japan and everywhere. It's not only depression rates, it's also Alzheimer's rate. It's also admission to a mental hospital rates. It's heart attack rates. It's everything. I mean, we know it's essential for humans, but here comes the point. The World Health Organization, I checked it, says, yeah, it helps to reduce the suicide rates. It helps to reduce heart attacks.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:06:17.744)
I think there was another one.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:06:40.212)
We know it's essential for rats and for goats and for animals, but we have no clue, they say, in the paper if it's essential for humans. That's why we have this ridiculous situation that in Germany and in Europe, you actually need a prescription.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:06:56.272)
And just to distinguish between the two. So the natural occurring is the lithium or a tape and not not what is pharmaceutical synthesized, which maybe people are more familiar with, which is the lithium carbonate.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:07:10.836)
Yeah, lithium carbonate is, I mean, I don't know if lithium orotate is a natural source because I don't know what kind of salt is essentially is the most common one in fish, which might be the most natural source. It's also not a lithium orotate if you have a certain water which comes from volcanic springs or so. Lithia is, for example, one. Lithia is a fountain.
for a high level of lithium in the water. It's actually the spring that was the spring for 7 -UP. That's why it's actually called 7 -UP. I don't know if you know that. 7 is the atomic number of lithium and UP means it upper deletes the mood. But it's not allowed to be in there anymore, I guess, as far as I know.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:07:49.392)
No.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:07:54.544)
Interesting.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:07:59.152)
So which lithium are you recommending that people can get here in the United States that's over the counter?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:08:05.62)
The lithium that I recommend at the moment is lithium orotate, merely for the fact that it appears from studies that there is a transport mechanism, particularly over the blood -brain barrier, because orotate is also important for the production of new nerve cells in the hippocampus. So a lack of orotate actually leads also to depression and so forth. So that's why these transporters exist, to pump essentially
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:08:10.)
Okay.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:08:33.076)
orotate into the brain and lithium essentially goes piggy -packed, you know, so on the orotate into the brain and it looks from studies as for example a mouse model and mania and manic depression or manic mouse and they show that you need only a tenth of the amount of lithium if you pack it in orotate instead of acetate or whatever is used in the clinic. So it's really improving the
You need less to get more result. Let's put it this way.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:09:05.104)
All right. This is a fascinating discussion. We're getting into some areas where there may be some hope and I want to, I want to jump there in a little bit, but before we.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:09:09.844)
One second, I have to... I just want to make... We have bad weather, it's getting dark here and you can't see me anymore. Sorry about that.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:09:14.544)
Got a little dark over there.
Okay. Yeah. Well, all right. Well, we see a lot better now. So my, we do, this is offering some hope and I think some strategies, you know, for us to protect ourselves, but I still want to kind of paint the picture here. So people are very clear about what, you know, has occurred. So not only has our health been deteriorating over the last, at least the last couple of decades, but this kind of primes us for this because it affects the brain, stress affects the brain. our poor health affects the brain.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:09:26.1)
with this is a quick, simple, quick look at some strategies.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:09:47.888)
this, this inflammation kind of primes us to be exposed and more vulnerable to some of these indoctrination indoctrination strategies. And I think what was challenging for me was the detachment from logic and reason. A good example of this is like when the United States president or when
medical authorities like Dr. Fauci would say some things like the vaccinated need to be protected from the unvaccinated. On logic and reason, it makes no sense at all. But we saw our entire country kind of accept that, or not our entire country, like a percentage of our country kind of accept that. So that's concerning to me. Repeat that. You want me to repeat that? No, no, people repeat that. People would repeat that. And, and,
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:10:35.552)
that people are doing the same thing.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:10:39.536)
and act and they would create division. Like if you didn't get vaccinated, you can harm me even though I'm vaccinated. It doesn't even make any sense of vaccination as protection. But this is where I'm not as hopeful because I look historically and throughout the course of history, human beings have been vulnerable to evil authority. And we can see this in like the Milgram experiments.
and with Matthias Desmond's mass formation psychosis, that it's almost like a mind virus that takes over a percentage of the population and regardless of its harm to themselves or to others, they just fall in line because the fear incapacitates them.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:11:14.76)
So that sounds fantastic.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:11:22.42)
Yeah, it's possible. Actually, I looked into the Milgram experiment and it might not be correctly executed. There was a lot of things that are not really acceptable, I guess, scientifically. It was tweaked so that it looks like that. I think humans are much different than we actually are made to believe. Most humans...
The majority of humans I think are kind people. I actually quoted several times in my last chapter a book from Rutger Bregman, a Dutch author, historian, who in Germany, the book was translated as the title is basically good compared to basically evil by Naomi Wolf. I think the English
book is called Humankind and he actually explained that humans are actually quite different than the picture that is painted from humans and it actually leads to the same narrative. If you believe that people are evil or tend to be evil likely to be evil then we actually yeah yeah behave that way and people actually and then it becomes a self -fulfilling prophecy. That's why I'm proposing my last book
that we have to change maybe our view of other humans. Because really, if I look at my family, even though some were culprits of this whole thing that happened, I hope you hear we have a thunderstorm above us. I'm sorry for that, I can't stop it. But anyway, so I saw it in my family. These are not evil people, even though they follow the rules. And of course, I was, there's for example, an uncle of mine who told my mother,
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:13:02.896)
Mm -hmm.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:13:18.004)
that people who are not vaccinated shouldn't get access to a supermarket anymore. So, I mean, this was kind of evil, I have to admit, but I believe based on how the mental capacity of these people was down, I mean, based on my theory on how all these measures over the decades, but also the fear mongering with the stress on the brain and then of course the vaccination itself. We shouldn't call it vaccination, but you know what I mean. The point here is,
All this together reduced the mental capacity to think and they just were cornered with fear. But there is a large number of people still out there, like you, like me, like you both of course, that show that everything could be different. And I think the technocrats who installed all that on us made a big mistake. They didn't get all of us.
and we are now here to show what happened. It's an experiment that failed because we are still here and we can show that there is an alternative. We have to not condemn those who told things like, like my uncle, you should not be allowed to go to the supermarket, but you should go like a psychologist. I mean, you have to understand where they come from.
what the history of these thoughts are. They are not basically evil people, they just were misled. And I think this is our golden opportunity. That's our golden opportunity for a great reset, in the words of Prince Charles, now Kim Charles, but the opportunity to change everything, to change our view of humans, the picture that is painted, how humans are.
which in my opinion is wrong. People are kind, if I look at my family, I think they are all kind people. So if my whole family is kind, then where are the evil people? Is it your family? Is it your family, John? I don't think so. So statistically we don't find actually evil people, except maybe some with acquired sociopathy based on their richness and their belief that they can play God. But this is a minority and I think we should...
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:15:28.528)
Mm -hmm.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:15:43.092)
make sure that we get as humans the democratic right back that we can be masters of our own destiny.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:15:54.768)
I want our listening audience to be somewhat educated on sociopathy, psychopathy. We've done a couple podcasts on it and you know, approximately maybe 4 % of the population can meet that criteria. And I think one of the core features of psychopathy is like an emotional detachment, even lack of empathy for fellow human beings. And that people who have great power and have those characteristics scare the hell out of me because
they can, and history has shown that they can really participate in mass murder. You mentioned something that I haven't heard too much about is this acquired, like psychopathy. What do you know about that as if it as if something could change in a person if they achieve a degree of maybe fame and power and control?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:16:37.812)
Hmm.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:16:48.756)
It was shown that when people are put into power, even in experiments, that you put them in a small vehicle and let them drive, or in a large vehicle, a BMW or something, a huge car. At the very moment that happens, you have a reduction in the activity of what we call mirror neurons, which are required for empathy. You can think what other people think and put yourself into the mind of other people. And so when you drive that car, a big car,
you behave differently apparently than if you drive a small car because you feel more empowered and that apparently changes something in your brain. Now if it's not just another vehicle which might be more luxury vehicle compared to a small vehicle but if you own billions of dollars and you can rule essentially society by the technology that you have developed.
and people regard you as a superhuman being because you are so wealthy and so powerful, then it comes to complete disconnect and maybe complete shutdown of these mirror neurons that are required, as you already alluded to, to empathy. So if people believe you are the most powerful person in the world, then you actually believe yourself at a certain time.
So our belief or our behavior to these people empowers these people and changes their minds. So we have to change our attitude to these people. This, I think, is very, very important. So when I gave this talk at the IC Forum and had all these powerful people in front of me, I didn't have any, let's say, personal respect more than I have to any human person. And I didn't see them as...
I mean they have a lot of power, of course, but they are just humans. And my word is as important as their word. That was my belief. That's how I went into this talk. And I hope you can share it, actually. I think this talk should go viral. I really think I actually gave it to Tucker Carlson. And he sent me just a few days ago a telegram. Not a telegram, it was.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:19:13.94)
signal or something we use. Anyway, he's told me that he feels almost like ashamed in a way that I was allowed to talk publicly, you know, giving the speech publicly while he believes that something like that would not be possible in the United States. So I think there is a way to communicate and we just don't have to be afraid. That's what I was trying to say. If we are not afraid, if we believe that we are powerful too,
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:19:31.12)
Wow.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:19:43.796)
and then we diminish their power.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:19:48.08)
I love that. And since fear is a weapon that can incapacitate us, I mean, we do have to demonstrate courage. Let's move this to a more optimistic and hopeful tone. So how do we protect ourselves and preserve the sovereignty of our own minds? Where is there hope? What is next for us? Because I do think we're going to be at a crossroads. Humanity is going to be at a crossroads and we're going to have to actively resist against these measures.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:20:08.34)
be happy.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:20:13.78)
When we resist to these measures, when we understand what is happening, why it is happening and how it is happening, that's exactly what I describe in my book. Of course, assuming I'm correct, I'm a scientist, so falsification is allowed, I'm wrong, but I believe I'm kind of correct because all the pieces of a very complex puzzle have fit together.
in the picture I was drawing here and so I believe I might be right. But if I'm right, then we know why it is happening, how it is happening, what's happening, and also what we can do about it. And if I'm right, then this is the biggest chance we ever had because the first time we realized maybe that we have a mental immune system, that it needs to be protected.
and that we can use it to form a complete new humankind that completely differently drives the world than the world was before 2020. I mean, I understand, for example, when the World Economy Forum says that our planet goes, we destroy our planet. It's totally clear. We do that, but not because by increasing CO2. We do many other things which they apparently don't care about.
And I think we can solve all these problems, but not by technocratic dictatorship, but by using the wealth of wisdom of all humans, by applying the cultural differences locally wherever necessary to use a local spirit and the culture of people to change things to the better. And that's why we need to cultivate the mental immune system, not destroying it.
what the technobrats are doing, but in contrary to enhance it. I was flying around now quite a bit, to be honest. I went to Chuck Tuck or Charleston, I went to the war room, I was quite a few times now in the United States. But whenever I enter the airplane, the flight attendant tells us when the oxygen drops, we have to first...
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:22:37.044)
save our own life by putting the mask on and then save the others. And I think this applies here too. Those who listen to us here have a mental capacity, have a mental immune system that is functioning, otherwise they would have shut down our conversation already, they would have shut down the computer and stopped listening to us. So they're listening to us. And I think when you have the mental capacity, you also have the responsibility to change something.
So you have the mask maybe already on or actually when you read my book you might find ways to improve your mask, you know, to save your life and to improve your mental immune system. But then comes the point where you not only save your own life and you preserve your own mental immune system, but you can actually attend others to help them. And that's just where they made a mistake. We already discussed that. At that point you can help somebody else. And if...
25 % let's say are already awake, then each one wakes somebody else up, of course not everyone the same person, everyone somebody else, then we end up with 50%. And 50 % in my opinion is already a majority and that is enough to change everything.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:23:58.896)
Dr. Nels, are you a spiritual man by any chance?
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:24:00.724)
Are you spiritual? To be perfectly honest, not really. I mean, I think nature is for me very spiritual. I like walking in the woods. When I see how nature evolved, I see it with a lot of awe. But it's amazing, many people, new friends I have now for the last years, new friends who are open -minded,
Many of them are spiritual and I start to share their beliefs. It's really amazing that we all are connected somehow. I'm changing that too. I see that.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:24:44.272)
Yeah, I mean, one of the things that I've observed within myself and in conversations with other people is that there is kind of this expansion of consciousness about the connectedness of all of us throughout, throughout humanity and through human nature, which is, I think, encouraging to me to be able to see the opportunities we may have as humanity to be able to stand against evil because I do believe it's coming, you know, it's, it's
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:24:54.772)
huh.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:25:11.984)
The groundwork is being laid for all of us to have to fight against these restrictions and these mandates and attempts on our own sovereignty and freedom. And this is where your, I think your, your book is, is quite a blessing and it feels like it's divinely inspired to me. That's why I asked, you know, whether you were spiritual because when there is divine inspiration, you know, it creates something, you know, such as this as a, as an opportunity for us to be able to, to learn because we may be in a spiritual battle.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:25:14.612)
Mm -hmm.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:25:41.616)
There may be a good verse evil in that has been prophesized and go ahead.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:25:46.644)
I just had a conversation yesterday with Dietrich Klinghardt, a psychiatrist and medical doctor practicing in the United States. He asked the question, where is God? You know, during the Nazi regime, where was God? He still believes in God and everything, and I said, yeah, maybe if God exists, this is certainly...
quest for us now, a big issue we have to solve. But if there really is a God out there and he has a purpose behind that, then the purpose must be that we win this war against us. And maybe actually it was time to ask this question because before that we were already heading as humanity in the wrong direction. And this is a time we can change everything.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:26:48.4)
I totally agree. The book, it's the indoctrinated brain, how to successfully fend off the global attack on your mental freedom. I believe there is a global awakening occurring that certainly is promoted by our exposure to alternative information that's been fed to us for quite so long. You know, we are pulling ourselves outside of the matrix in a lot of ways. You know, we're exposed to other ways.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:27:16.82)
get worse.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:27:18.352)
other means of thinking that are outside of the corporate media that is outside of the algorithm. It's so important we have these conversations. It's so important. We read the work of other experts like this, like Dr. Dr. Nels, as I mentioned in the beginning, this isn't some, you know, conspiracy theory. This is, you know, speaking to experts globally, getting information and helping us understand what is really occurring and why this may happen. I see it as an evil act. It was intentional. It's clearly intentional.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:27:24.5)
Thank you.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:27:48.656)
And, you know, even when you look at some of the data that is in your book regarding, you know, like the life insurance industry, you know, there is a dramatic increase in all -cause mortality. There are people that are dying younger who are healthy. And we see it being implemented or implicated in the use of this mRNA technology. It's still getting pushed here in the United States to continue to get your shot. You know, we can say this clearly now based on scientific data. Do not do that.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:28:04.532)
Thank you.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:28:16.88)
Do not go and get repeated mRNA vaccinations. And that's not stepping out of bounds of what the science is. The science is actually clear. You're not going to get it from the propaganda from the US government or the medical establishment, but those people are corrupted. And they're part of that larger movement that we spoke about today that is pushed by the World Economic Forum and the leaders who have been corrupted within that agency. You know, we...
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:28:29.716)
that was nice.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:28:46.256)
If there is a, you know, an anti -human movement, a transhumanistic movement, that is what is being pushed. There's a mass experimentation. There has been for quite some time with various medical interventions. It's really up to us to be able to find a way to unite and ways to unite. I want to be able to again, promote the nonprofit that I'm currently attempting to raise money for. And that is the conscious clinician collective that is trying to unite all of us.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:29:14.196)
of months.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:29:14.768)
who are now awake, who are now aware, who respect our medical freedom, informed consent, and being able to choose your own medical decisions. Please, we're not getting this information. You're not going to get it from your doctors. You go into the greater medical system within the United States. They are pushing these forced mRNA interventions upon all of us. They don't know. They're just following what they're told.
So all of us who are awake, even if it's 20 % of the population or 25 % of the population and growing, we can only spread that through information. And that comes from a place of compassion and love. So go to thecccollective .org. This is your opportunity. If you are in the healthcare field or the general helping field at all, or a scientist, you can join this collective and it provides a database for us to get information. You can also donate. I know there's a lot of people out there who believe in this cause. And so we'll ask.
for your donations. Dr. Michael Nels, where can people find any information about you if they're just interested in learning more about your work? And one final plug about the book.
Michael Nehls MD, PhD (01:30:26.996)
Well, I mean, the book you can get everywhere, Barnes & Noble to Amazon, of course, and also as an audible or an e -book. But also important, I think, is to go on my Substack, yeah, and my channels. And on Substack, I provide regularly information, updated information on everything that I learn, particularly in the field of lithium now.
But everything that I'm still working on, of course, and writing, and it will be my last book, and to be updated on every development, I mean, I can recommend people go on my sub -stagram or my other social channels. But first of all, I want to thank you all, Roger and Sean. My book would be worthless without people like you. I mean, to be perfectly honest, my book is just the key to be able to talk to people.
like you, you reach more people than I do. Thank you very much for your ambitious work.
Roger K. McFillin, Psy.D., ABPP (01:31:30.96)
It was an honor to have you on the podcast today. Dr. Michael Nels, we want to thank you for a radically genuine conversation.
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