Radically Genuine Podcast with Dr. Roger McFillin

Welcome to the radically genuine podcast. I'm Dr. Roger McFillin. Sean, it's been approximately three years that we've been on this journey. Almost exactly. Almost exactly. We felt called to start this podcast as part of a kind of a larger movement and just trying to be open and honest about what we're observing in mental health care and the healthcare system, popular culture in general.

Certainly we had a post COVID awakening, but for me personally, you know, it was decades along of being involved in this system and really just getting tired of not having solutions and really struggling myself to figure out how do I adapt and how do I maintain my integrity where I feel like it was challenged often to be a part of this field. I would have to adhere to.

principles, ideas and treatments that I thought were harmful. It was very challenging and difficult for me to lay my head down on a pillow at night knowing I could probably do more. Although I've been proud of the center here that we've developed and I believe, you know, we hire very ethical and conscious clinicians who are aware of the greater and broader issues. And we do a lot of education ourselves on the harms of psychiatric diagnoses.

psychiatric drugs and the concerns around informed consent. I've never felt like it was enough. So I think it was an outlet to have a deradically genuine podcast. But over the course of the three years,

Everyone who has been loyal listeners have just heard us on a weekly podcast, but a lot goes into it behind the scenes. I've gotten private emails. I've had conversations after conversation. We've met experts. We've had conversations with people who never came on the podcast. And that continues to grow that movement, that kind of connection of.

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meeting another person to another person and kind of getting their feedback and their understanding of what is going on in Western medicine, what is going on in the mental health system in general. The countless books that I've read, the other podcasts that I've been on feels like it's kind of led me to this place right here. And I'm excited to announce the next step in this revolution. And this has been in the making for

months. I think it really hit me when I was on Alex Clark's spillover podcast. We sat there and really she asked the question that so many people have been emailing me about. How can I find someone that is similar to you, who's got your knowledge, who is aware of the harms and wants to prevent people going down the path of identifying with these

DSM diagnoses and getting pushed into psychiatric drugs, as well as a lot of the other topics that we talk about. And she asked me that question on the podcast. That was actually a great podcast. That was, that was your, at the time, two and a half years of conversations and what we discussed in this room really coming together in this great moment where I thought you were at your best. Thank you. And that followed up with probably your

your New Year's resolution, which I saw you push out. So I understand there's a connection here. Yeah, it hit me when she asked, you know, what's next? How are we able to find people like you? How are we able to connect? There's so many people out there who are struggling in the system. Parents were reaching out to me concerned about being alienated from therapists, therapists pushing psychiatric drugs, concerned about gender ideology and the affirmative care model.

about what's being pushed in schools. It's been nonstop over the course of the past three years. And often I didn't have an answer. I don't know. Who do I refer to? Who do I connect with? In the mental health field, there was no strong network of people who are really vocal about this. I've found rogue psychologists, rogue psychiatrists, and I've certainly had conversations with people who really agree with everything I'm saying, but don't know what to do.

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because their careers are dependent on the system and the manner in which it's created. They work in systems that require them to assign the diagnosis, refer to a psychiatrist, refer to a medical professional.

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And so, you know, I prayed about it, I meditated on it, and what I ultimately came up with was the development of a nonprofit organization called the Conscious Clinician Collective. The Conscious Clinician Collective has a very clear mission, and that mission is to cultivate a community where individuals and families can engage with ethical mental health specialists and

all healthcare professionals who are dedicated to upholding the principles of informed consent, medical freedom, and respect for personal autonomy. That means there needs to be a transparency and openness about what psychiatric diagnoses are and what they're not, what mental health treatment is, what mental health therapies are, what they are not. I feel like we are in the face of

widespread ideological and industrial deception. And so there needs to be a place to connect with like -minded clinicians who are open about the limitations and the harms of the system. And even in a bolder initiative is to start the process of having access to a spectrum of science -based information.

across disciplines, which can empower people to make informed decisions about their mental health and wellbeing. So many people just don't know. Parents feel like they're pushed to have to fill that script of that SSRI for their kid and they're never provided informed consent.

So how do we get access to this information? We have to have trustworthy sources and trustworthy people. You can't Google. You can't Google this information. It's very difficult to find. If you Google, you're going to get the industry funded propaganda that's going to push you towards their product. You know, we're at a point where normal developmental processes, normal emotional responses to stress.

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are being pathologized, they're being medicalized. What I'm seeing on the front lines here with how many people are coming into our center on multiple minded mood altering drugs is heartbreaking and they're getting sicker. There's just not clear, direct information that is widely available. Okay, so the collective really does have two major goals. The first one is trying to unite.

globally. There's a lot of people out there just like me, Sean, who really are concerned about the ethics of our profession. They feel like it's violating a high moral and ethical standard to first do no harm. And the misrepresentation of diagnoses and drugs is widespread. I think there's a lot of people and it's not just within the general psychiatric community. I mean, we're talking about hormonal birth control.

We're talking about other prescription drugs or exposure to toxins that are producing adverse responses that are actually misrepresented as psychiatric diagnoses, nutritional deficiencies. So you're going to, the objective is to expand beyond just mental health therapists, psychologists into the nutrition aspect.

maybe like nutritional psychology, nutritional, there are no limitations, right? I want to unite all ethical and conscious healthcare practitioners, including those who are in the quote unquote, non traditional medical space, right? functional medicine, doctors, chiropractors, nutritionists, overall wellness, Reiki, right? Whatever that may, may be acupuncture.

you know, Eastern medicines, philosophies. There's a lot that's, you know, on, on the fringes only because it's suppressed by our allopathic medical system and its alignment with these big food, big pharma. Yeah. When it's labeled alternative, it's not the primary. So people's instinct is to go to what the primary would be not considering the alternative as the first step. And let's face it, we have so much to learn. Of course. Right. And when we're stuck in this paradigm, we are so limited.

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in what our understanding is of mental health. We're at a point now where, you know, we have generations who are only seeing it from that biomedical lens. It's being pushed in schools. There's harm in these social emotional learning, educational initiatives in ways that people don't even recognize. You know, this is coming on the heels of Abigail Shrier's book, Bad Therapy, which I do recommend is...

They're iatrogenic harms to therapy, to educational initiatives. What we're doing in Western culture is harming the mental health and wellbeing of our next generations. It's very, very clear. And that's what iatrogenic harms is, like the harm of the intervention. So people aren't aware, even when it comes to therapy, it's just universally spoken about as if it would be a good thing for anybody to do. Yeah. Right.

And in my field lacks so much scientific credibility. You know, it's like the wild west out there. People can say and do whatever they want. And it's really important that we're open and honest about the limitations and the risks so people can make informed decisions. So I think the first question people are going to have is, okay, well, how are we going to know that that clinician in the collective does adhere to our, our family values and our respect for informed consent and.

And medical freedom that was my question. How do you validate? Yeah, so we've created the conscious clinician compact. Okay, when I say we I'm gonna also You know inform everybody about the founding board because these are the founding board These people are very important in this vision and in this movement and Going to rely on them quite frequently for their wisdom and for their guidance great people on the board. I'm very proud of it

But the development of the conscious clinician compact was mine, initially my idea. And one of the board members who's Dr. Ben Raul, who I'll talk more about in on today's podcast, he suggested considering it similar to like a declaration, like the great Barrington declaration was like United core principles for many epidemiologists and medical professionals from around the globe in the face of

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widespread censorship and the misrepresentation of science, I felt like we needed to do the same thing or similar within the mental health field. So I'm going to read the Conscious Clinician Compact. And these are the core principles which any clinician, healthcare professional would have to attest to.

Challenging existing paradigms can provoke discomfort and resistance, yet it's this very disruption that catalyzes our evolution, pushing us to embrace transformative change. As mental health and healthcare professionals, we are deeply concerned by the pervasive distortion of mental health, a result of decades -long pharmaceutical industry deception.

This collusion with the psychiatric medical establishment misrepresents scientific findings and inaccurately portrays psychiatric presentations as discrete and immutable medical diseases necessitating pharmaceutical intervention. Recognizing the significant risks, adverse effects, and limited efficacy associated with psychiatric drugs, we advocate for a more comprehensive, safe, and evidence -based approach to mental health care.

We acknowledge the misrepresentation of pharmaceutical drugs to the public, often minimizing risks and exaggerating benefits. We understand that undiagnosed medical conditions and adverse reactions to pharmaceuticals are frequently misdiagnosed as psychiatric disorders. We prioritize transparency and integrity, advocating for informed consent and clear communication about the limitations and risks associated with psychiatric diagnoses and medical interventions.

We vehemently oppose the pathologization of natural human emotions and reactions to adverse events as psychiatric illness. Furthermore, we reject oversimplifying emotional states as purely biomedical constructs. We acknowledge the harm caused when emotions are inaccurately portrayed as symptoms of underlying brain chemical imbalances. We denounce the categorical and reductionist approach

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of diagnostic frameworks like the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the DSM, and similar systems, which seek to arbitrarily medicalize and categorize a range of emotional reactions to stress as discrete medical disorders. We commit to critically examining and challenging dominant paradigms.

advocating for alternative perspectives that honor the complexity and diversity of human experiences, and prioritizing ethical and patient -centered care above commercial interests. We believe in respecting individuals' and families' autonomy to choose options that best serve their health and well -being. This commitment is guided by informed consent, respect for personal freedom, and the pursuit of comprehensive care.

We support the exploration and integration of non -pharmacological interventions, including psychotherapy, lifestyle modifications, nutritional therapies, and complementary therapies, alongside judicious use of pharmaceuticals with full disclosure of potential harms and benefits. We acknowledge that while psychotherapy can offer valuable benefits, it also carries inherent risks, especially when conducted unethically,

or influenced by ideological and theoretical biases. We are committed to transparency in our practice, openly discussing established therapies for specific conditions and articulating their potential benefits, limitations, and risks. We acknowledge the powerful influence of exposure to popular culture and societal narratives on shaping perceptions and behaviors regarding mental health, recognizing the potential for social contagion and misinformation,

We are dedicated to critically assessing societal influences. We are fully committed to protecting the rights of minors by understanding developmental limitations and providing developmentally appropriate care. This includes recognizing the unique needs and vulnerabilities of children and adolescents, fostering a supportive environment that encourages open communication and collaboration with families to make

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informed decisions regarding their options. Therefore, we adamantly oppose gender medical transition for minors, acknowledging the potential harm it poses and recognizing the incapacity of young people to make decisions about such procedures given their permanent repercussions. Adolescence represents a pivotal developmental stage characterized by the fluidity and evolution of identity.

When engaging with minors, we recognize the crucial role of the family and vow to avoid any actions that could lead to a sense of alienation between children and their families. We are deeply concerned about the misrepresentation of psychiatric diagnoses to children and families, often portraying them as fixed diseases requiring psychiatric drugs. We prioritize safeguarding the welfare of children by advocating for their protection from undue medical interventions without proper evaluation and oversight.

In doing so, we uphold the rights of parents to make informed decisions on behalf of their children, ensuring that their best interests are consistently prioritized and their well -being preserved. Finally, we recognize that science is an evolving process in the search for truth. Therefore, we pledge to accurately communicate research findings, prioritizing the protection of the public from the misrepresentation of scientific data.

That is the conscious clinician compact. Everyone would have to attest to that and to uphold those principles. And I would have to also remind everyone that is an ethical and legal right that we're afforded. That is not being afforded right now. We do not hold up our medical professionals, our mental health professionals to a standard that's high enough anymore.

First, do no harm, and it is our responsibility to understand the limitations of treatment. In fact, informed consent is this. Here are the potential benefits. Here are the potential costs. Here are the known risks. Here's alternative understandings. Here's alternative treatment options. I respect your right to choose. COVID was a wake -up call.

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because we were not afforded the rights to choose in many circumstances. We were not provided accurate information. It was distorted. Professionals were censored. Those working in the system were pushed to roll out that vaccine. They had little knowledge of its safety, its efficacy.

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Medical freedom and our individual rights are a defining issue of our time.

And so we need to band together. We have to unite. And this searchable database will allow you to put in your locality and determine who around you is part of this collective. Because Sean, we've sat on this microphone and we've done a great job of highlighting problems. Here's our solution. At least the first step. Yeah. Can we talk about those steps?

is obviously this is a huge ordeal, huge project to get underway. And the idea of a collective requires a group, a large and influential group of doctors and psychologists and industry participating and signing it. That's how it becomes a powerful platform. Today is the first day it's available. We are launching today. We really need your help.

I encourage everybody who's listening to go and visit the cc collective .org the cc collective .org and also please, please forward this onto anybody who, you know, would support such an initiative. in terms of building out that database, obviously this is for.

those who are practicing, but is there also an element of maybe consumer advocacy underneath it? So if I am a parent of a child who has been harmed, is there a way that I can support this? We need an army of supporters. Okay. So when I say we're rolling this out, we're rolling out the fundraising efforts. I gotcha. Okay. And so we do have an initial $150 ,000 goal to be able to launch our initial website.

Sean (21:38.331)
in late 2024. So by the end of the year, okay, okay. And that would at least allow the collective to grow, right for people to join. So we have two ways like you can have you can donate right? This is tax deductible, get on there, anything helps, right? If you support the mission, any small amount of money that, you know, that you are willing to be able to donate to this cause, it really does matter, right?

And then we have our professionals, all healthcare professionals, anyone in the mental health space, psychologists, psychiatrists, social workers, counselors, therapists, students. This is your opportunity to be part of the collective. It is a $99 tax deductible yearly fee, and that funds our initiatives. And we're aiming high.

We're thinking big. So not only will you be highlighted as a conscious clinician who is part of the collective, all your information will be there, links to your website, information about you. But now this provides us the funding for multiple efforts. At the very least, we have the collective and we are starting to use our group, our United Front.

to be able to more accurately communicate information to the general public. It's free. We want it to be free and accessible to all. I want to be able to hire a team that you can actually print something out. You're diagnosed with an autoimmune condition or you're diagnosed with major depressive disorder, bipolar disorder, an eating disorder, OCD, some other condition.

Right? There is some accessible information to say, Hey, this is what we know now. This is what we don't know. This is what they may prescribe. Here's how it came to market. Right? You are going to be more educated than a lot of the general practitioners that are working out there. I do believe standard mental health and the allopathic medical system is harming many. So we have to arm ourselves and that's going to take a entire team. That's going to require a movement. I believe it's in my heart.

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I feel divinely inspired. I know that people are going to pray for this. I know that people are going to send it off. They're going to connect with others and we're going to build something. You know, I often sign off many of my tweet posts or my ex posts, my tweets with, you know, resist. And what is active resistance, right? Active resistance comes with education. I'm actively resisting.

Any notion or idea that I'm going to give up my individual freedom and rights, my own autonomy, that I'm going to just passively accept information from the medical authority. Bodily autonomy matters, as is information. So if we're going to have a high standard for our medical professionals, our mental health professionals, then we have to acknowledge and we have to understand where harm can take place.

And I see it, I see it growing. There's so many ways to get information, right? Media, a media network. Right now, we're still way too many are subjected to corporate media and the use of big tech to limit information and the flow to all of us. So not only can we have, you know, a searchable database, but how about podcasts, studio shows?

growing a large network of people around the country, around the world. So yes, we have an initial $150 ,000 goal to be able to build the infrastructure around this website and to hire people, but that, you know, we need so much more, right? And there's other groups out there to do like amazing things that I'm starting to get connected with, right? The ICANN network was his informed consent action network.

is one of those, you know, that we've connected with and they've done so much great work, advocacy, legal work, education around like vaccines and other medical interventions, right? We want to build off that. We have our own space here in mental health. You know, we've said it before, 80 % of or more of psychiatric drugs are being prescribed by, you know, primary care. And the pharmaceutical industry has infiltrated primary care.

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And that's one of the reasons we're seeing this dramatic rise in these minded mood altering drugs. You know, what we're doing to our younger generation is heartbreaking. And in my, my humble viewpoint, it is a crime against humanity. Okay. So the conscious clinician collective, listen, let's make this a household name. I'm going to try my best to get on popular podcasts to promote this. I also want to.

Thank people who've inspired me. Being on some of the podcasts that I've been on, you know, I feel inspired to do something like this from Ali Beth Stuckey's show to Alex Clark show to my conversations that I've had with Abigail Shrier and her work, right? Her revelations about, you know, iatrogenic harm within the mental health system should be, in my opinion, mandatory reading.

And then I want to thank and reveal our founding board members.

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Each one of these individuals represents and models those core principles within the Conscious Clinician Compact. All of them have been on the Radically Genuine podcast, and I'm so grateful for those connections and the relationships that are being built. So I do want to announce our founding board members, and we hope to leverage their network, their wisdom, their experience, their skills, their history, and their passion to be able to grow this.

First, I want to acknowledge and thank Kim Widzak. Kim was on episode 53 and 101 of the Radically Genuine Podcast. She is a leading global drug safety advocate and speaker with over 25 years of professional experience in advertising and marketing communications. She's become involved in the pharmaceutical drug safety issues after the sudden death of her husband, Woody.

due to an undisclosed side effect of an antidepressant. Kim co -founded Woody Matters, which is a nonprofit dedicated to advocating for stronger FDA and a drug safety system. She co -created and organized the International Multidisciplinary Conference Selling Sickness, People Before Profits Conference in Washington, DC. In 2016, she was appointed consumer representative on the FDA psychopharmacologic.

Drug Advisory Committee and is on the board of directors of National Physicians Alliance and MISSD, which is medication -induced suicide prevention in memory of Stuart Dolan. She's an active member of the DC -based Patient Consumer and Public Health Coalition, making sure the voice of non -conflicted patients and consumers is represented in healthcare, FDA -related legislative issues. She's also got a number of other projects, which, you know, I don't feel like I should be.

Announcing them if I don't know if she's announced them yet, but she is a force an absolute force I you might have heard her on a lot of other popular podcasts, you know She is somebody who has been divinely inspired after such a tragic loss and I admire her greatly The next person is Christina Kaiser. She was episode 85 Christina has more than 25 years of professional experience in communications and education

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having worked for several nonprofits, corporate headquarters and school districts in California in the Washington DC area. She became an advocate for public health and safety in 2013 after the avoidable death of her teenage daughter, Natalie. Christina has provided FDA testimony presented at national and international conferences focused on crisis and risk and authored numerous articles relating to medical harm, informed consent and acathesia. Christina.

is co -developer of the MISSD, Akathisia 101 course, which is available online and free to all. Christina holds a bachelor's in journalism, master's in communication, and several interdisciplinary teaching credentials. She's a board member of the USA Patient Network. Again, this is another one of those tragic stories, the loss of her teenage daughter, Natalie, who was inappropriately prescribed a psychiatric drug and led to an unfortunate overdose.

and died of an adverse reaction to that to that drug based on, you know, from listening to that story, I do really ask everyone to listen to the story on that episode. It was powerful, but it's it's medical negligence. And we're trying to protect against medical negligence, which is rampant rampant. The next member is Dr. Ben raw, who is a doctor of chiropractic care.

he's owned and operated one of the largest chiropractic and wellness clinics in the United States. He was on episode one 15 for us. For the last, 18 years he's worked with businesses, churches, corporations of all sizes and created an unmatched corporate wellness program for today's business model. Like he's on the forefront on health and wellness from multiple perspectives. He was an official chiropractor for the team for team USA wrestling, weightlifting and judo in the 2012 London Olympics.

He's in 2016. He authored the book Corporate Wellness, which lays out powerful simplified approaches to help readers be part of the healthcare solution, achieve wellness for themselves and those around them. He authored a second book, Design to Heal, which is a 365 day daily devotional that was published in 2023. He's a host of an amazing podcast, five star rated, Design to Heal, and that shares stories, research, insights, and helpful information.

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in the world of health and wellness. Through his platform, he's built a vast network of relationships based on, you know, like -minded visions that have included Robert Kennedy Jr., Del Bigtree, Florida State Surgeon General Joseph Lodapo, influential scientists, physicians, psychologists, advocates, politicians, innovators. He's an absolute force too. Very honored to call him my friend. I traveled down, spent some time with him.

in Orlando. He's just, you know, an amazing man, an amazing healthcare practitioner, extremely bright, passionate, articulate, and just building a vast network of connections. And then, you know, just blessed to be part of that. And a lot of what we're doing now is built off of the ideas of someone like him, right? He's, he's gotten me to like, think about things from so many various perspectives. I'm even changing some of the language I'm using. It's the value of a board. Yeah.

Because listen, I'm brought up in the same system, you know, and the same education and I end up, we all kind of get conditioned to talking about things from a limited perspective. And, you know, he's smart enough to be able to catch it and say, Hey, you're using words like treatment. You know, everything's medicalized now, you know, and we're not, we're not really understanding the body's natural design for, for health and wellness and how we get in the way of that. Yeah.

You know, whether that's our, you know, drugs or ideas or stress or toxins, or culture, you know, there's so much that's getting in the way of our, of our health. And sometimes the best healthcare is removing all that, you know, getting that out of the way. And the final board member is Dr. Kristen Ryman. She was on episode one 13. She's a graduate of Stanford school of medicine.

and as a board certified family physician, she's renowned as an expert in Lyme disease treatment. She's also the author of Life After Lyme, Revive Your Inner Rockstar and achieve a full recovery, driven by her personal battles with Lyme disease and a near death experience that led to her recovery. She embarked on training and non -traditional modalities to better assist her most challenged patients. Another part of her story, despite possessing a medical exemption due to this condition,

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She faced professional challenges and was compelled to leave her previous position with the hospital -based healthcare system due to her principled stance against mandatory vaccinations. Demonstrating her commitment to holistic healing, she serves as the host of the Healing Grove podcast where she engages experts from around the world in discussions on holistic approaches. Through this platform, she shares unconventional tools, practices, and mindset shifts to empower individuals.

on their journey to total wellness. I mean, she again is somebody who comes from the most decorated academic settings in the United States. Yale undergrad goes to Stanford Medical School and she has to experience it herself. How conventional allopathic medical model failed her and how the system was acting outside of bounds of safety and efficacy and was forcing her into vaccines.

But that drove her to really have to innovate and develop something on her own, which I again believe is divinely inspired. I have a quote here from Helen Keller, which I love. Life is either a daring adventure or nothing. To keep our faces toward change and behave like free spirits in the presence of fate is strength undefeatable. And that's what I believe this is about.

I believe it's inspired divine calling. In the cases of our board members, some tragedy has occurred to get them to this point, but I do believe that their efforts are saving lives. And I do believe that all of us on this board and all of us together within the collective, we have to do something. And this is the next step. So please help us out. It is only the mind that can limit this potential.

So I have no limitations. When I think of a vast global network that involves all of us, this is what I imagine in the Conscious Clinician Collective. Please, please go to thecccollective .org. Read the declaration again. Read the Conscious Collective.

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All these C's are going to be difficult for me. The conscious clinician compact read it. I think it's really going to touch everybody because this is what we deserve. My feelings on this, we're at a very important place in humanity. I think that the attempts of a small group of people,

to push their agenda and restrict the rights of free people, free spirits across the world is going to be our next great challenge. And this is about banding together, like -minded people together. This is out of love, this is out of compassion, this is out of connection. So I want to thank everybody who's been with us so far in these three years on the radically genuine

podcast who's followed me on social media. We're a small group that's growing, right? We are in the top 1 % of global downloads. That's because people are interested, but we know that we have to increase our exposure. And that's only going to happen through your prayers, your connections, and making sure that you support this network. Thank you.