Radically Genuine Podcast with Dr. Roger McFillin

Sean (00:01.577)
Welcome to the radically genuine podcast. I am Dr. Roger McFillin. And first, I want to thank all our listeners. Please continue to hit five stars, whether you're on Apple or Spotify or whatever your app is. We've had tremendous growth. We're going to attribute that to the willingness of our fans to be able to spread the message, share the podcast. All of this is really, really important information that we are proud to be sharing. And a podcast like today, I am going to approach it with

what they call a beginner's mind. So there's a great quote I love by Shunrui Suzuki. In the beginner's mind, there are many possibilities. In the expert's mind, there are few. And I'll admit, I am a beginner when it comes to some of the science that we're gonna be talking about today, the alternative viewpoints on something like cancer. I wanna be

very mindful that there might be people out there who are listening to this podcast who have lost loved ones from cancer and might have a lot of questions or emotions around this. I'm certainly not an expert, but I am trying to have radically genuine conversations and continue to progress the way that we think about health. And so today I want to welcome a very special guest who I found fascinating after reading his book. His name is Danny Carroll, who

spent the first half of his life living in London in UK and was on the path in economics. He graduated with a master's degree from the London School of Economics. And then he moved to live and work in India in the mid 1990s. Danny has spent the last 17 years studying alternative healing therapies in search of the Holy Grail of health and wellness. So a lot like me, I'm just trying to

I am driven to try to determine how to create a life of value and purpose. And he's going to come from it from a different perspective today. Following a cathartic healing experience in 2012, he has focused on mind-body healing protocols for the last 10 years. He discovered a new body of medical knowledge called Germanic Healing Knowledge, or Germanic New Medicine, developed by a German medical doctor named Reich.

Sean (02:27.785)
Gared Hammer, I think I'm pronouncing that correct. He has spent the last seven years using this medical science to help people with chronic and terminal health conditions to fully recover their health. So we're gonna have a lot of questions and come with an open mind. We just finished reading his book, Terminal Cancer Is a Misdiagnosis. It's Danny's first book. He plans to write.

Danny Carroll (02:31.067)
Yes.

Sean (02:54.293)
500 plus series of books examining how conventional medicine and dramatic healing knowledge approach the cause symptoms and solutions to specific diseases He's a pioneer of new medical discoveries and healing protocols that are Most are unwilling to explore and until they have no other alternative in my own research I've actually started to see that a number of the things he is talking about starting to make its way into some

conventional oncology programs, which I'll mention a little bit later. I hope everybody comes with an open mind. Danny Carroll, welcome to the Erratically Genuine Podcast.

Danny Carroll (03:34.96)
Thank you, Doctor. Absolute pleasure to be here. Thank you for hosting me.

Sean (03:40.481)
Well, for me, this is about sitting back and I think listening. Um, I'll have my questions. I know Sean will have his questions as well, but let's just start with, you have a fascinating story that took you down this particular path and I want you to be able to tell that story and then we'll, we'll take it from there.

Danny Carroll (03:44.437)
Okay.

Danny Carroll (03:56.876)
Okay, so this leg of the journey essentially started in the mid 2000s. So I live in I live in Bombay, India. I moved there in the mid 1990s. I had a friend and a colleague, I think in about 2004, who's diagnosed with cancer, I don't remember exactly what type of cancer he was diagnosed with.

that at the time she could not afford the cancer treatment. So I ran a marathon in Bombay and I raised a lot of money for her cancer treatment and basically funded her cancer treatment and sadly ensured her compliance to the treatment. So when she went into hospital, I mean, although they said she had cancer, she looked

looked fit and fine to me and she started chemotherapy treatments and she used to message me from hospital saying Danny I don't know what these doctors are doing but it feels like they're putting poison in my veins. So I knew no better at the time so I strongly encouraged her to continue with the treatments and she basically she had three rounds of chemotherapy and she died. I was

because I both funded her treatment and ensured her compliance to treatment. So I felt a great deal of responsibility for her leaving this earth long before it was her time to do so, she was only in, I think, her early 60s at the time. So at the time I was, so I'm not a doctor. At the time I was in management consulting and asset management.

And I was in my mid, early mid-30s. And I said to myself, right, okay, I'm going to find a better solution to this problem we call cancer. And I swore that I would search to the ends of the earth in order to find a better solution, which I've essentially done. For the first seven years, I studied all forms of

Danny Carroll (06:20.96)
of both alternative and more mainstream healing modalities. I studied nutritional healing. If you go online, you'll find a TED presentation I did in 2010 on nutritional healing. At that point in time, it was really the only viable game in town that I could really find, but I studied many forms of alternative healing, including

emotional healing for an English healing system called the bark flower remedies. I studied energy healing, I studied spiritual healing. I studied everything that had some form of promise to be the solution to the problem. By the time I got to 2012, essentially I had very little confidence that I found the solution to really anything. Not sufficient confidence to...

I mean, the problem I had with all of these modalities was that you could have two people with the same diagnosis and put them for the same protocol, so the same vegan program or the same emotional healing programs, and one would live and one would die. And regardless of how much I dug into this to try and understand why.

There was never any answers, right? It was, ah, you know, it happens. Some people live, some people die. And I wasn't happy with that as a response. So I continued my journey of searching for solutions. In 2012, I had a cathartic healing experience. For six months, my entire body was riddled with golf ball-sized knots. Okay, my calf muscles, my thighs, my back.

my arms, and I would go into physio and the physio would iron out these knots. So I'd go in and I don't know whether you've ever experienced this or not, but when the physio irons out knots in muscles, they basically they use their elbows like this, and they iron down the muscles like this, right? And leave huge, great big bruises on your muscles. And I go back two days later, and the knots come back again, right? So I was on like this

Danny Carroll (08:40.964)
excruciatingly painful merry-go-round for like a six month period. My then girlfriend, who is a US diplomat, was on a two-year posting to my hometown. And we basically agreed that her next posting was in Santiago de Chile. So we agreed that nobody in their right mind has a long-distance relationship.

South Asia and South America because that's just insane. But we had a problem that we'd become soulmates. So whilst we had originally agreed that we were to terminate our relationship, we got to a few days before she was due to leave and jointly concluded that it would not be possible for us to terminate the relationship.

So we decided to embark on the most ridiculous long distance relationship in the history of mankind between Chile and India, which is about 10,000 mile in a 40 hour journey. And we agreed that we would see if the relationship just fizzled out naturally. And this was on the Friday evening. And when I woke up on Saturday morning, all of the knots that had been in my body for six months previously.

up until Friday evening, magically disappeared overnight. And he's gone. And I'm like, wow. I mean, I didn't honestly know why they came, and I didn't know why they went. But the only thing I knew was the only difference between Friday night and Saturday morning was the fact that my girlfriend and I had agreed.

that we would not terminate our relationship. And that was the only difference. So I had an intuitive hunch that there might be a similar, I felt if my body could, my mind could cripple me, literally. I mean, in that six months, I could barely walk and run. So I had a hunch that if my body, if my body, my mind could cripple me,

Danny Carroll (11:03.02)
essentially give me back my health, with a snap of my fingers, that it might be a similar type of mechanism between cancer and the body. And I was planning to do a PhD. And I was looking for a university that had a medical specialization and a psychology specialization. And I was planning to build a bridge between them.

So I could explore whether this sort of mind-body link of cancer existed. This cathartic healing experience gave me very, very interesting insights into the mind-body connection. And in the process of looking for this university, I found this German medical doctor who essentially was a cancer research specialist.

who was reported to have a 92% success rate in healing terminal ill cancer patients using a form of mind body medicine. Okay, so my ears pricked up and I'm like, and I've been studying alternative healing protocols for many years and one thing I've learned is that the more success that alternative practitioners have.

the more you'll find online them being defamed and he's a murderer or an anti-Semite or this and that and whatever. And I've never seen the amount of vitriol online ever before with this German doctor. And this online vitriol to me had sort of become a lead indicator that the more vitriol there is online, the more value there is under the hood essentially.

So I was very excited by finding this German doctor. And I've essentially spent the last 10 years studying and testing his medical discoveries. I don't take anything, I don't believe essentially anything that anybody tells me. I have to prove it and test it for myself. So what happened, the backstory with this German doctor.

Danny Carroll (13:23.228)
is he was an internist, a research specialist, and he specialized in cancer research. In 1978, his 19-year-old son was shot and murdered. And two months after his son died, this doctor was diagnosed with a testicular teratoma, which is an aggressive and fairly rare form of testicular cancer.

with metastasis to the stomach. Now he was given a 1% chance to survive. He survived that because he essentially had surgery but he didn't have chemotherapy or radiation, which I understand most medical doctors or many, many medical doctors don't. So he had the surgery and when he recovered his health, he was working, he was the head of a gynecological.

oncology unit for Tübingen University, which was a subdivision of Munich University in Germany. And he wanted to start, he had 200 female, terminal or cancer patients that are all in late stages of cancer. And what he wanted to do is he wanted to understand whether they'd gone through a similar life crisis or emotional trauma.

in the same way that he had before he got cancer. And basically out of 200 women, 200 had, okay? So then next step, he said, right, okay, let me start putting the same women with the same type of cancer into different categories. And what he observed is that the same women, all of the women, for example, had ovarian cancer that all suffered from

some form of profound loss in the same way that he had suffered from a profound loss when he got testicular cancer or the women that had globular or mammary gland breast cancer that all suffered from some sort of nest or care conflict, i.e. a conflict in the home. They started seeing patterns in the types of life crises that these women had faced.

Danny Carroll (15:49.936)
before they'd got these cancer diagnoses. So you fast forward 39 years of research with over 50,000, working directly with over 50,000 cancer patients. And what this German doctor, his name is Richard Gied Hummer, what he basically discovered is that the tumor on his testicle was actually functional tissue.

and it had a biological purpose. Okay, so it goes something like this. His 19 year old son was shot and murdered. He, his testicles started growing very fast. What he basically learned from that is that the biological purpose of that extra tissue on his testicles was essentially to increase his sperm and testosterone production. So that he had a...

a greater capacity or better chance of getting his wife pregnant, so that he could replace the child he just lost. Okay. So while whilst our in our conventional system, medical doctors will say that you have abnormally fast growing cells, which is absolutely correct. Essentially the part of the important critical parts of the puzzle.

that is not understood is that cancer doesn't drop down out of the sky, you know, like an event that nobody knows what causes it or how it happens. There is a very defining cause, which is a crisis that you face in your life, and nature is essentially responding to that crisis by increasing your capacity to help you to solve that critical problem in life. So

in Dr Hummer's case, his 19 year old son had just been shot and murdered. His testicles started growing in size abnormally fast and what nature essentially has done is increased his capacity to replace a child he just lost. Let's take another example of women, a globular or a mammary gland breast cancer.

Danny Carroll (18:15.108)
If you look at the biological function of the mammary glands, basically it's to lactate and produce milk. Now, a woman will only lactate either when she's pregnant or when she's nursing, once she's delivered a child. Now, imagine a situation where you have a woman walking down the street with a friend, with a five-year-old child, a child's five, she's not lactating anymore, and she's not paying attention.

and the child runs out into the road, gets hit by a car and ends up in ICU. Okay. Now the breast is a nurturing piece of equipment. So what will happen is when, as soon as a child gets hit by a car, nature will reactivate the woman's ability to lactate essentially so that she can offer her breast to the child to nurse the child back to health again.

So she will immediately or very soon after the child gets hit by the car, she will feel a lump in her breast. And essentially what nature has done is nature has reactivated the woman's ability to lactate so that she can convert that breast back into a nurturing piece of equipment so that she can offer a breast to a sick loved one and she can nurse the sick loved one back to health again. And once the, once the sick loved one becomes healthy again,

then the biological purpose of that program has been achieved. And that biological program will switch off in the same way that it got switched on. And once a child is healthy again, basically nature will remove that capacity in order for her breast to go back to its normal capacity and function. Now in today's world, when the woman gets a globular or mammary gland breast cancer,

we will basically remove the woman's breasts and then give her chemotherapy and radiation. She will have a chance of surviving that, I mean, according to oncologists in Australia, death rate from women with breast cancer is around 98.5%. So she'll have a 1.5% chance of surviving that.

Danny Carroll (20:39.296)
that protocol treatment, where in reality, all she really had to do was offer a breast to a sick loved one, nurse that person back to health again, and the biological program would have in fact just been switched off. Now, Dr. Hummer, basically once he understood these fundamental connections, essentially what he has done is unraveled the biological code. So he started with cancer.

He has identified the cause, the life crisis of every form of cancer that we experience today. What causes it, what happens, what the purpose of the biological purpose of that program, how the capacity is increased, how you essentially solve that problem, and then the journey you have to go on in order to get back to what Dr Hummer described as a situation called homeostasis.

which is basically your natural capacity. And he's mapped that entire journey for every type of cancer. Now, when he completed mapping that process for cancer, he then proceeded to unravel the cause of all of the subjects that you're passionate about, doctor, in terms of depression and suicide and all of the mental related issues. So he has unraveled all of the causes of schizophrenia, bipolar.

autism, even things like Down syndrome, and basically what you need to do in order to go through and solve those problems. So essentially he's unraveled biological code. Now the problem with his discoveries is that he estimated that when his discoveries are allowed to surface that 95% of all of today's symptomatic treatment protocols will become obsolete.

And that's not only in conventional medicine, it's also in alternative medicine. If everybody understood how to heal themselves, then there essentially would be no need for a medical system, or at least not in its current form. You'd only need a medical system that essentially looks after car accidents and stabbings and gunshot wounds and emergency protocols or cosmetic protocols.

Danny Carroll (22:58.272)
all of the disease-based protocols, the cancers and all of the mental-based protocols would all essentially become obsolete. So because of the fact that his medical discoveries essentially have the potential to destroy a multi-trillion dollar industry, which is what the healthcare system is today, he spent I think two and a half years in prison.

He had 12 attempts on his life and they tried to put him in a mental institution 75 times in order to prevent him from spreading these medical discoveries to the world at large. That's it, in a summary really. 75 times, 75 times, yeah. Correct John.

Sean (23:43.317)
Did you say 75 times? 75 times?

Sean (23:50.337)
Okay, um, and now I, I appreciate the summary, um, of the, the history behind this, but I was, I was approaching this from, um, almost like a skeptic's point of view, trying to imagine what our listeners questions would be, and especially from some females. So when you brought up the breast cancer example, I've also heard stories about during times of a famine or starvation, a woman's, uh, breast can start lactating again to feed their children. But you know,

Danny Carroll (24:13.36)
That's right, yeah, it's an S-complex to feed the children, right?

Sean (24:18.065)
Yes, so but then there's these this question of the gene and the connection to cancer Which is always out in the news now the brca I think it's called like the brachy gene where a lot of women are now getting genetic tests because of um That that gene would either increase or decrease their likelihood of possibly getting breast cancer in life I think it's the brca1 and brca2. I'll put a little link in our summary What would the response be to that type of um kind of perspective or approach to it?

Danny Carroll (24:49.528)
Yeah, I mean, genes don't cause cancer, right? I mean, when you have a life crisis or an emotional trauma, these biological programs that essentially run in our subconscious minds, right? You don't sit there and say, oh, okay, I've got a nest conflict or my son just got hit by a car and ended up in ICU. So I'm going to switch on my ability to lactate. Oh, you don't do that, right? It doesn't work that way.

all of these programs run in your subconscious mind. And when you, what Dr. Hummer concluded is that every single biological change we experience is part of a survival biological program. Nature wants us to survive, okay? So everything, every single biological change, wherever it's going to a suicide constellation, whether it is...

you know, a breast cancer or in Dr. Hum's case, it was a testicular cancer, so that he could essentially reproduce, wants him to survive, right? He's lost a child, so nature wants to provide him the ability to replace that child. The genes do not cause, they're not the cause of the problem. They're just a part of the process. Okay, now, the thing that's the thing that's guided me, Sean, let me let me give you a let me give you a bigger picture so I can put this in context. Okay.

In business, we have a simple philosophy that you can never solve a problem by addressing the symptom of the problem. If one of your employees in business came up to you and said, sure, I've been trying to solve this problem and I can't solve it, I give up. And you say, right, what have you done? And you say, well, all you've been doing is looking at the symptom of the problem. You can never solve a problem by looking at the symptom of the problem. You can only solve a problem by addressing the.

cause of the problem. And when you address the cause of the problem, you can permanently solve that. I mean, that's the first thing that's drilled into you when you're in strategic management consulting and those type of industries. So I essentially I've spent my life working in right now.

Sean (26:52.573)
Yeah, I remember it was called the fish bone analysis. This is that was a common thing in managed.

Danny Carroll (26:59.66)
Yeah, I mean, it's an input process output, right? You have an input that causes a problem, it goes through a process and then you have a symptom that comes out of it, right? So in health terms, the way that we function in terms of input process output, or in terms of the cause of a problem and the symptom of the problem, essentially, is that we have a so let's take Dr. Hummer's case, or let's take the breast cancer case, right? Because you asked about the breast cancer and the gene of the BR.

BRAC2 gene, okay, the woman's walking along the street, and child gets hit by a car and ends up in ICU. Okay, that's a life crisis. That's the cause of a problem. Okay, now, that cause triggers a biological response, a survival response to help the mother in order to solve that problem. Okay, so what happens is the child gets hit by a car.

it ends up in the child ended up in ICU, the mother then that day, the day after two days after will feel a lump in her breast. Okay, that lump is essentially nature saying, right, okay, you have a crisis. Your son is now in ICU, you need to have the ability to nurse so that you can nurse your child back to health again. Because when we used to live in a cave and in our evolutionary process, the breast was the only tool a woman had.

in order to be able to nurse a sick family member back to health again. Okay, so nature will reactivate that gene that beyond CA2 gene in order for her to be able to restart lactation outside of the normal lactation cycle, you know, in the ordinary course of when she can only lactate when she's when she's pregnant or nursing, right, so she's well outside of that cycle. So nature says, right.

you need the ability to be able to nurse again so you can get your child back to health again. It's a survival function. If you nurse, if you understood how it works, you nurse the child. And once the child gets back to health again, that function is then no longer required. But in nature, we'll switch it off and remove that extra capacity. Okay, now, along that journey, the gene will in medical terms mutate, right, because it will go from

Danny Carroll (29:20.472)
from not being able to lactate to being able to lactate, which is what we call globular or mammary gland breast cancer, right? But that gene will change with the trigger. So the child getting hit by the car is the cause of the problem. The processing for that problem happens in the brain and the organ is purely the symptom. It's merely the outcome of that program.

Sean (29:28.481)
Mm-hmm.

Danny Carroll (29:47.612)
Okay, in the same way in Dr. Hummer's case, his son was shot and murdered, that crisis in his life triggers his brain, his brain says, right, okay, you have a crisis. And then it sends the instruction to the testicle to increase its size and capacity, so that he's got a better chance of replacing the child. But the testicle is the symptom of the problem. You can never solve a health problem by addressing the symptom of the problem. What he if he'd have known at the time what he would have needed to

if he'd have got his wife pregnant, then he would have essentially fulfilled the biological purpose of that program and then that program would have been switched off because it's achieved what is set out to achieve. The extra capacity would have then been removed. So if we look at any problem at the organ level, the organ level is only ever the symptom of the problem. The life

Danny Carroll (30:46.564)
which is processing the brain, which the brain then sends the organ, the instructions of, of how to increase or decrease its capacity based on the biological purpose of that program, right? So let's, let's take extreme examples. We have a we have a concept called phantom limb pain. Okay, you'll be familiar with this, but I'll explain it for your audience. Okay, I have a problem with my leg, I have my leg amputated. Okay.

Sean (31:07.88)
Mm.

Danny Carroll (31:16.1)
So I now have I have I have only one leg now after I have my leg amputated, I still feel pain in the leg. There's no longer there. Okay, now you say to yourself, how can you feel pain in an organ that is no longer there? Okay, and that's ridiculous. And the answer to the problem is the pain is not in the leg. The pain is in the brain. Okay.

So whether you have the leg removed or not, it makes absolutely no difference. So if you have breast cancer and you have your breasts removed, okay, it makes zero difference, no difference, okay? And we can see that even in the existing system, we have a concept called recurrent breast cancer, okay? Recurrent breast cancer is where you get cancer on a breast that's been removed.

So you have a mastectomy, the breast is removed, and then you still get cancer on the breast after it's removed. Now doctors say, oh, maybe some cells were floating around and this and there was some left and whatever, right? Not the case. You've had another nest conflict that's triggered that problem. The biological program runs in your brain, not in the organ. The organ is just the expression of the biological program. It's the symptom of the biological program. You could never.

Sean (32:22.453)
Mm.

Danny Carroll (32:41.74)
solve a problem, in business, not in health by addressing the symptom of the problem. You can only ever solve a problem when you address the cause of the problem. So if you want to solve health challenges, by removing organs, essentially the only option available to you is to have your head cut off. Okay, now, that is not that Sean, that is not ideal. And I do not recommend it. Just saying, right?

Come on, we're being radically genuine here, right? I am not recommending that you have your head cut off. But if you want to remove organs in an attempt to solve problems, it's the only option, right? Because this is where the processing happens in the brain. The organ is just a symptom. So if you have ulcerative colitis and you have your colon removed, you will still experience colon cramps in your colon, even though you don't have a colon anymore.

Sean (33:16.832)
We are.

Sean (33:42.169)
All right, Danny, let me jump in here. Yep. All right, Danny, I'm going to have to be, yep, I'm going to be skeptical. I'm going to challenge you here, but I want to make sure I get everything right. So cancer cells are an evolutionary biological adaptation to service. Fair?

Danny Carroll (33:43.741)
It doesn't solve any problem. Come in, doctor.

Danny Carroll (33:51.248)
Come on, do it.

Danny Carroll (34:01.26)
Nature never goes wrong, doctor. Nature, win your lifetime when never make a single mistake.

Sean (34:03.911)
Okay.

Sean (34:07.261)
Okay, so then if those cancer cells then would, we would not be treated, right? What would be the natural process of, of cancer if it didn't undergo what are the traditional treatments?

Danny Carroll (34:24.009)
So your question is framing, you're still putting cancer cells, you're still putting cancer through a filter of disease. It's not a disease. So we have fundamentally misunderstood what cancer is. The doctor say, oh, you've got abnormally fast growing cells. Correct. Dr. Hummer had abnormally fast growing cells in his testicle.

Sean (34:34.869)
Okay.

Danny Carroll (34:50.872)
right? And if your if your child gets hit by a car, you'll get abnormally fast growing cells in your mammary gland in your breast. Okay. Now doctors think that the abnormally fast growing cells are abnormally fast growing because they're broken or they've gone wrong. Okay, they think that the cells are broken and gone wrong, because they don't understand number one, what caused the problem or what the purpose of those abnormally fast growing cells are.

When you understand what causes the problem and what its biological purpose it is, then it is no longer a disease that is gonna spread around your body and kill you like some invading army of soldiers inside you. It doesn't work that way, okay? Cancer gets...

Sean (35:38.601)
All right, so, but what, all right, what would be the biological purpose of like a two-year-old who has cancer?

Danny Carroll (35:47.652)
So you can, we can experience trauma in the first trimester of pregnancy, okay? Dr. Hummer spent the last seven years of his life helping children with Down syndrome to fully, to pull out of Down syndrome and fully recover their health, right? So how did he do that? When a child with Down syndrome was born, Dr. Hummer took a brain CT scan to find out.

what part of the brain had been affected and discovered that essentially, with children with Down syndrome, basically what he found is that the hearing centers, which is just above your ears here in your cerebral cortex, basically both had been shut down, okay, in the first trimester of pregnancy. So Dr. Hummer then basically spoke to the mothers of these children with Down syndrome. And the hearing center is a hearing conference.

right? So basically what he said, right, what how what loud noises were you were you exposed to? So here, what he discovered is that in the first trimester of pregnancy, if a woman gets exposed to loud noises that a fetus that will put the fetus essentially into fight or flight, okay, so what will happen is so one mother said, I was constantly surrounded by the sound of chainsaws, okay, and the sound of a chainsaw to a

to a developing fetus in the first trimester of pregnancy is essentially the same as you having a lion standing behind you roaring, right? Roar. Okay, that will put the fetus into fight or flight and it shuts down the hearing center. If both hearing centers are shut down, what it essentially does is it retards the development process, which is why children come out with round face, round eyes, because their development is retarded.

from the first trimester of pregnancy. So you can experience trauma as early in your development process as your first three months of the fetus. So with children, children experience trauma. Children can sit there or they can watch their parents fight or they can experience trauma in exactly the same way that we, they can have childhood vaccinations. Dr. Hummer discovered the autism, for example, okay? The autism is caused by an experience.

Sean (37:53.557)
So.

Danny Carroll (38:08.976)
We all think that autism, when we relate autism to vaccines, that we think that it's the poison inside the vaccine that causes the problem. Okay, what Dr. Hamer discovered, again, it's brain scans of children to discover how their brains have been impacted. And what he discovered is that autism is in fact caused by an experience the child goes through where they are simultaneously scared out of their wits and...

very angry. Okay, now when you put this into context, if you've got a one year old, an 18 month old, a two month old child, looks like a foot tall, and you have a six foot doctor in a white coat coming at you with a needle, for us it would be like a giant coming at us with a blade or an axe coming to attack us, right? And it's that scare fright and anger conflict that essentially the scare fright affects the larynx here.

And the anger conflict affects the stomach, which is basically why highly autistic children, basically they're often incommunicable, they don't talk and they don't make eye contact. That process is in, if it's caused by a vaccination, a childhood vaccination, for example, basically it's not the poison inside the vaccine that causes the problem, it's the...

vaccine experience that scares the pants off of these babies and makes them very angry because they're sticking a needle inside their bodies. And sometimes it's three four needles at a time, both legs, both arms, bang, which makes the child angry and it makes them scared. And this is what triggers what Dr. Hummer called autistic constellation. Now that autistic constellation can be healed.

Sean (40:01.437)
I got a follow up question kind of in the same area because I'm my brain spinning right now. But what about environmental factors that could be causing cancer? What is the biological response that is causing that to happen if we're saying it's caused by an environmental factor like chemicals or exposure to

Danny Carroll (40:07.716)
My brain's been spinning for the last 10 years, Sean.

Sean (40:31.73)
leaks. What's going on there? No connection?

Danny Carroll (40:33.756)
So, no connection. In the Germanic healing knowledge or Germanic new medicine, there are five biological laws of nature, which apply to humans, animals and plants. And basically the first rule of Germanic healing knowledge is called the iron rule of cancer. In the iron rule of cancer, cancer can only...

be caused by what Dr. Hummer called a biological conflict shock, or what we know as emotional trauma, or a life crisis. There is no second course of cancer, no smoking, no environmental chemicals, no chemicals in your food, no cell towers, no cell phones, no nothing. Okay, now those things Sean can make you sick, right? So radiation, for example, kill cells. Okay, or if you put

chemotherapy inside your body, which essentially is mustard gas, right? It's going to make you very sick. And your body will do everything it can in order to evacuate that poison from your body, vomiting, loose motions, etc, because it will make you very sick. But it does not cause cancer. Cancer is a survival biological program that can only be triggered by a life crisis. End of discussion.

Sean (42:00.113)
Okay, so then this very controversial understanding. I said I was coming in this with a beginner mind, right? So the role, the role of the of the immune system, right? So one of the ways that I guess I've thought about this is epigenetics and our entire lifestyles would influence the development of

Danny Carroll (42:01.948)
Come on, fight, fight me, doctor. Come on. Come on, we're out. I'm still a beginner. Just f-wire.

Sean (42:30.025)
disease, so it kind of stops the conversation right there, then I want to know more about the healing of this. So are we just getting it wrong that when we see these constellation of cells, that the response to it should be completely different than what our medical system, in the manner in which we're responding? And so what is then the path?

Danny Carroll (42:44.891)
Yes.

Danny Carroll (42:56.648)
Absolutely. So I mean, let's take, let's take different types of cancer so you can start to sort of pull it together in terms of this biological survival program, right? Each each, each layer, each cell in our body, each germ layer in our body acts in a similar way to a woman's menstrual cycle. Okay, if you look at a woman's menstrual cycle,

tissue is added to the walls of the uterus in order to facilitate a pregnancy. If she doesn't get pregnant, the extra tissue that's been added is removed with bleeding in order to evacuate that extra tissue. So the way it works, it's tissue plus tissue minus tissue plus tissue minus now, when you get into the when you get into the detail, we have we have different what we call germ layers. And now we're really getting into the weeds.

which is basically our survival germ layer, which is called entoderm. And then we have a mesoderm germ layer, which is essentially our bones, our muscles and our cartilage. And then the outer layer of skin, the dermis, the inner layer of skin, the dermis. And then we have something called the ectoderm germ layer, which is our outer layer of skin, the epidermis and various tubes and arteries, et cetera, inside our body. They, the ectoderm,

goes tissue minus tissue plus the endoderm goes tissue plus tissue minus so increased capacity reduced capacity, reduced capacity, increased capacity. And this is the way all of our cells work, right? So let's take let's take something like colon cancer. Okay, colon cancer, or rectal cancer is caused by what Dr. Hummer called ugly, or a shitty conflict.

Okay, that I can I can I can either I can't digest it or I can't absorb it. So let's say example, I'm fighting with my family over inheritance. Okay. And the fight goes on and on and on and I can't I can't solve this problem. What's going to happen in this? So that's an ugly or a shitty conflict. Okay. In this particular in this particular situation, what's going to happen is I'm going to get extra tissue added to my colon.

Danny Carroll (45:17.612)
Okay, and the biological purpose of that is to help me to either digest, better digest, or better absorb the conflict of the fight I'm having over this inheritance, right? Now, I resolve that we come to a family settlement and we resolve that, that conflict that's over the inheritance. They're like, you have this, I'll have this, you have this, I'll have this, right? Once we resolve that conflict,

in the same way the woman's menstrual cycle works. So in the first part of the biological program, tissue was added. And in the second part of the program, tissue is removed, okay, and tissue is removed with bleeding. Okay, now, once I resolve the inheritance dispute, I no longer need that extra capacity to help me to digest or absorb that ugly, or shitty conflict, as Dr. Hamer described it.

So what happens is the extra tissue was added to my colon will now be removed, okay? When that tissue is removed, number one, I'm going to get stomach cramps that would be described as ulcerative colitis or irritable bowel syndrome. And basically what will happen is I would, that tissue will be removed with bleeding. So I would then start experiencing blood in my stool. Okay, now.

What happens with most people, what is blood in the stool? In the same way you bleed, a woman bleeds from her vagina when the tissue is being removed, if she doesn't get pregnant, the tissue is removed from the colon, and then you start experiencing blood in your stool, whether it's from your anus or whether it's from your vagina. Essentially, the process is exactly the same, right? The tissue is added, it's removed with bleeding. In the colon, tissue is added, it's removed with bleeding. But then when I start...

seeing blood in my stool, if I don't understand what's happening, I'm going to freak out. And then I'm going to go to the doctor and a doctor and say, Oh, let me do a biopsy, you've got colon cancer, I need to remove your colon or surgery or chemotherapy or radiation and all of that stuff. If you had allowed that extra tissue to be removed via bleeding, understanding that it's part of the healing process.

Danny Carroll (47:41.024)
of getting you back to homeostasis in the same way that the vagina bleeds on a monthly basis when you're removing tissue from the from the uterine walls, if you'd have understood that, that tissue would have been removed, that bleeding process would have completed after that tissue would have been removed and the program comes to an end, you are back to homeostasis or your standard level of capacity that you need in order to digest and absorb.

shitty or ugly problems and that's essentially it.

Sean (48:12.725)
So Danny, it seems like the role of fear is really critical here, because when we do experience symptoms, our tendency is to get really nervous about that and go seek out medical professionals. And from reading your book, it's almost like what you're saying is the response from the medical system will provoke a fear of death in itself that creates a conflict that is problematic to our health.

Danny Carroll (48:24.092)
correct.

Danny Carroll (48:27.686)
That's right.

Danny Carroll (48:36.54)
That's right. Absolutely. So if I go to the doctor and the doctor says, oh, you have colon cancer, we need to start surgery, chemotherapy, radiation within the next 24 minutes, otherwise you'll be dead in three months. Basically what that does is it essentially creates a fear of death. A fear of death, essentially, when you fear dying, what happens is that triggers what we know as lung cancer.

Okay, so when you fear dying, oxygen, we can only last a few minutes without oxygen, right. So when we fear dying, what our survival biology does is it adds capacity to our lungs to increase the alveoli to increase our ability to be able to process oxygen, so we don't die. Okay, so it's the diagnosis process that triggers issues like very often like lung cancer, because

fear is used as a tool in order to ensure compliance to the medical protocols, okay, which then triggers further problems. And then that triggers then further problems, the chemotherapy basically ensures that we vomit and everything is expelled from our system. But the liver, for example, whilst

modern medicine believes that the problems with the liver is caused by alcoholism. It's not what Dr. Hummer concluded is that the main body of the liver is affected by what we call a starvation conflict. Okay, one of the one of the liver is an extraordinary organ, right, but one of the one of the key functions of the liver basically is to produce digestive enzymes so that we can digest our food so that we can survive.

If there is a chance that we're gonna starve to death, what happens is the liver increases in size to give us a greater capacity to reduce the digestive enzyme so we can digest our body resources so we don't die. It's all based on survival. If you go to Africa and you see the little children who are literally starving to death, when you see their distended stomachs, they're basically they're distended from the top of the stomach.

Danny Carroll (51:02.636)
and not the bottom of the stomach. And that is essentially where the liver has grown in size in order to increase its capacity to produce digestive enzymes to stop you starving to death. Okay, then once you no longer have a problem of starvation and start the problem of starvation is emulated, essentially all triggered by chemotherapy because you're vomiting or...

loose motions and your body's throwing everything out the it can expel, which means that you're not getting any food in your system, which tells your subconscious mind that you're starving to death, and then it triggers liver cancer. But I mean, ah, the cancer soldiers have swum through the blood or the lymphatic system, and swum over and morphed into a liver cell. And now

created cancer in your liver, I mean, it's Alice in Wonderland type explanations.

Sean (52:03.721)
Okay, so what you're saying then is in order for the individual to move towards health, it's like turning that system off, right? But in order to do that, you have to resolve the conflict that might be contributing to it or the problems that might be contributing to it. And here's my concerns. So I'm a clinical psychologist and my experience with human beings are, is they have a profound capacity to be able to deny or...

Danny Carroll (52:22.384)
Correct.

Sean (52:34.693)
or to actually, to suppress even what those conflicts may be. So how many people would, I think what you're saying is there has to be some form of intervention, health intervention that allows them to resolve that conflict, but there's a lot of people who deny that there's a conflict that exists or won't even be aware of it based on the manner in which they even cope.

Danny Carroll (52:56.401)
It's not only the human's ability to deny a conflict. Many traumas that we go through are buried in our subconscious mind and are not accessible to our conscious mind. Now, doctor, think about it. If we had every emotional trauma we've ever gone through,

accessible to our conscious mind. So we remembered every day, every single trauma we'd ever gone through, we would be miserable. Okay, so the problem is not only an oftentimes it's not the fact that the person is in denial. The problem is that the subconscious mind has buried it, and we don't have access to it. Okay, now

When you get to the problem of denial, you will again, you're absolutely right. If I if I if I take your brain scan and I say, Dr, you know, you had, you had a childhood trauma of being sexually abused. And you turn around to me and say, Danny, that's complete crock. I never had any problem being sexually abused when I was a child, because your subconscious mind is buried it. I would turn around and say, Well, it's on your brain CT scan.

you did experience it, it's not a question of whether you did or you didn't you did. The problem is your subconscious mind has buried it. So we therefore we have to then

Sean (54:24.398)
Where would this show up on a brain scan? How would this be determined?

Danny Carroll (54:28.08)
So, I mean, one of Dr. Hummer's extraordinary medical discoveries is that he's mapped the entire brain. So there are various sexual centers, whether it relates to the sexual organs or whether it relates to different types of trauma. And so the brain stem, the pons of the brain stem essentially is all of our survival functions, our digestive tract, our lungs.

the body of the liver parenchyma, the survival function, the kidneys, the kidney collecting tubules. So it what he's essentially mapped out the entire brain, and which part of the brain manages which organs. Now he's mapped that out. But he also mapped out the progression we go through when we, when we experience a certain type of trauma, we it leaves what essentially is a target ring.

So if you imagine chucking a stone in a pool of water, it creates those centric circles. So you can see on the brain, and the bigger the trauma is, the bigger the set of concentric circles are around that brain relay. And when you first experience it, the lines are very sharp, and you can see that it's a fresh trauma. When it starts to go into healing...

then it will have edema around these concentric circles because all healing can only happen in a fluid environment. So you get edema on the brain in order to heal this area of the brain that's been damaged as a result of this emotional trauma. And once the healing process is completed and it's gone all the way through, you'll see a scar on the brain. So you'll see your entire life history on a brain CT scan if...

if you could learn to read them. Most people cannot.

Sean (56:28.413)
So let me ask you, before I forget this, you cited a statistic in your book. Again, the book is Terminal Cancer is a Misdiagnosis, where oncologists, 90%, up to 90%, if they or a loved one is diagnosed with cancer, will not choose chemotherapy themselves. Is that an accurate diagnosis? Is that well documented?

Danny Carroll (56:49.137)
That's right.

Danny Carroll (56:53.92)
It is there was a study done with oncologists. I mean, when you're down the rabbit hole doctor, you dig all of these studies out, right? A lot of them buried obviously, if everybody knew that doctors don't take chemotherapy, then like, you don't take it, why would I take it? And so I couldn't re-access that study.

But with my personal experience, I mean, I've got, I put, there's even one case study in my book in chapter seven on the cancer research where Dr. Hummer healed an oncologist in France of a bronchocarsenoma without using chemotherapy. And once the oncologist healed, he went back to practicing with chemotherapy because that's the medical protocols, right?

as in Dr. Hummer's case, I mean, he had his medical license taken away because he refused to prescribe chemotherapy. So you know, it's, you've got to get on the train or you get off right. So if you don't, if you don't, if you don't prescribe these, then you get thrown out of the system as Dr. Hummer was. But this doctor in chapter seven, you'll read Dr. Schwarzenberg, I think, or you can, you can put out the name of my book.

Basically, he healed himself. Dr. Hummer helped him to heal him without using chemotherapy. And then he went back into practice and then started prescribing chemo.

Sean (58:30.389)
So, you know, your book, it's titled Terminal Cancer as a Mischievous Diagnosis. And this is because a lot of this research was on those who have been provided a terminal diagnosis where they no longer have any other alternatives. And now it's like there's an openness or a willingness to be able to receive treatment alternatively. And I guess from a legal perspective as well, you know, now there's just greater opportunities to try other things because they've already been provided the alternative diagnosis.

Danny Carroll (58:43.974)
Yes.

Sean (58:58.801)
And are you telling me that the treatment then there is more psychological in nature, more psychotherapeutic in which there's an emotional trauma that's being processed or conflicts that are trying to be solved that exist in their life? Or is it just the elimination of the fear of death amongst other things all combined?

Danny Carroll (59:20.376)
So let's tie this back into your previous question about people denying the existence of a problem or not being able to access the problem because it's been buried in their subconscious mind. The last seven years, I've been helping, and I've helped hundreds of cancer patients, right? The vast majority of those essentially had received

terminal diagnosis. Okay. I mean, I'm not a doctor, right? I'm some venture capital investor who has a hobby of studying cancer and healing cancer patients, right? If you get a diagnosis of cancer, do you go to this random English venture capital investor who heals cancer patients for a hobby in India? Or do you go to the world's leading oncologist in Johns Hopkins, right? It's a no brainer. But what happens is when people go through the medical system...

Once they get kicked out the other end, saying, oh, sorry, nothing else we can do, get your papers in order to go home and die, then they come to me. Now, what my experience of this is, that when people have been sent home to die, they become much more open to listening to alternative points of view. Because essentially, in their mind, they're walking dead. Now, my ability to be able to help them is essentially determined in my first meeting with them.

when they come to see me, they are more often than not in what we call a death trance. Okay? The doctor says to you, that's it, nothing more can be done, go home and die. Okay? If that person buys into that diagnosis, then they will die. It will become a self-fulfilling prophecy. Okay? The fear of death will cause death. The fear of death will trigger the lungs to, the alveolar line of lungs to open up.

the fear will trigger all sorts of problems biologically in order to try and help you to survive this fear of death crisis, right. So if I get the my ability to be able to help that person is solely dependent on whether I can break that trance. Okay, so what I will have to do is I will have to get their brain CT scan, look at all of their medical diagnostics, go through their blood tests, find out

Danny Carroll (01:01:44.524)
exactly what biological programs are running, and then, and then explain to them that this problem is caused because you had this life crisis. And when I can start connecting the dots and piecing that together, they'll sit there and say, how did you know that? Because I've seen it on their brain CT scan, right? You had a trauma of being abused as a child or whatever it is that affects that problem.

Brain cancer is an even more interesting one, right? According to Dr. Hummer, there's no such thing as brain cancer, okay? What is diagnosed as brain cancer is when you get that emotional trauma and then you get those concentric target rings and you get the edema that comes inside those target rings. Basically that is diagnosed as a glioblastoma, okay? According to Dr. Hummer, the neurons in the brain don't multiply.

after birth so they cannot qualify as fast growing cells because they don't multiply. The only cells that multiply in the brain basically are called glial cells, which is a measled germ layer that helps the reconnective tissue to repair your brain from an emotional trauma. So it's the natural repair process in the brain that we get diagnosed today as brain cancer or a brain tumor, okay?

What I've done in the past doctor is every time I get a every time I get a brain cancer patient come in, what I do is I take a CT scan in their brain, I explain what caused the problem to break their diagnosis, if they don't believe me and I say, right, okay, take your brain CT scan and go to five neurologists, but do not tell them the previous brain cancer diagnosis, right? Because I've got a headache, blurred vision, whatever, right?

in every single situation when those people have taken that brain CT scan to these neurologists and not disclose their diagnosis, the neurologist would look at her. Yeah, yeah, now you're okay. Don't take a painkiller, go home, go to bed. Okay. And they would never they would never they would never reestablish that brain cancer diagnosis. Okay, I then send them to five more neurologists and say, right, okay, now disclose your

Danny Carroll (01:04:05.776)
previous brain cancer diagnosis with the same CT scan to another five set of neurologists. And basically all of those five neurologists would confirm the previous diagnosis. Now these patients would come out and they go, okay, it's clearly, doctors have no idea what they're doing. The brain CT scan was only developed in 1978. And according to Dr. Hummer,

medical doctors are unable to read brain CT scans, and I have personally confirmed that for myself. What I would then do is I would then use the brain CT to be able to understand the life crisis that's caused their problem, and then start working with them to help them to resolve that problem in order to solve it. Sometimes it was successful and sometimes it was not. Some people can heal themselves and some can't.

Sean (01:04:57.369)
Danny, I got a question. So, as we've been speaking, an idea popped in my head. It wasn't in your book, but maybe... What are your thoughts? Is there such thing as preventive care in Germanic healing knowledge?

Danny Carroll (01:05:11.608)
No, not really. No, I mean, I mean, here's the thing, Sean, right? I mean, I've been studying this for 10 years, say, Oh, Danny, okay, so you don't have a you don't have any health problems anymore. Wrong. Okay. You cannot avoid conflict in life. This is a this is a survival, biological framework, okay, that's designed to help us survive. You cannot

Sean (01:05:12.997)
Okay. All right. I didn't think so. I didn't think so.

Danny Carroll (01:05:40.108)
avoid conflicts that will not trigger those programs in order to start running.

Sean (01:05:45.569)
Ken, is it possible that you have a ability or a skill to resolve those conflicts much more easier on your own or to not get as distressed when those conflicts arise, thus preventing yourself from maybe having the, you know, the formation of cells. Okay. All right.

Danny Carroll (01:05:54.677)
Oh yes.

Danny Carroll (01:06:00.46)
Absolutely. On the money, John. Absolutely. So let's take let's take an example, right? I mean, in 2019, I, I got cancer in my jaw. Here, all of these teeth are false. Right? These are all false teeth, right? I had cancer in my jaw, all my teeth fell out. And it destroyed half of my jaw. This was so Dr. Hummer essentially has unraveled.

Sean (01:06:15.723)
Mm-hmm.

Danny Carroll (01:06:29.696)
every cell in the body if you get a cancer here, what causes it if you get a testicular cancer, what causes it. So basically, I discovered that this cancer in my jaw was caused by a five second fight with my wife. Okay, that triggered this cancer that made it very, very difficult. It was such a fleeting argument fight. Okay, intense for a very short period of time. And it was over American politics or something.

Sean (01:06:59.744)
Ha ha.

Danny Carroll (01:07:01.028)
as you do, right? Turn that video off! And she never does that, right? So that triggered this cancer. It took me over a month to find it, but the time I found it and switched, I could switch this off. So, right, I said, you can use your conscious mind to switch these biological programs off, right? That's another rabbit hole to go down. But so I said to myself, oh, okay, I know this cancer was caused by that fight with my wife when she screamed at me and this and that, so I switched this cancer off, okay?

Sean (01:07:04.301)
Hehehehe

Danny Carroll (01:07:29.1)
And so I've had tissue plus for a month, okay, and that tissue has to be removed, this particular germ layer here gets rid of tissue gets this added gets removed with something called TB micro bacteria. Okay, so essentially what happens is this TB micro bacteria, which is also horribly misunderstood by conventional medicine, I think is a disease where it's not. So I've had tissue plus now I need tissue minus tissue minus the TB micro bacteria essentially rots that flesh.

and removes it, right? So I had the pleasure for four months of having the smell and the taste of rotting flesh in my mouth and my sinuses whilst his tissue's been removed. But between the cancer and the TB micro bacteria, as well as removing the tissue it added, all my teeth fell out and it destroyed half of my jaw. So I then had to have a five hour reconstructive surgery in order to have a bone graft, have my jaw rebuilt.

I had to have implants into put teeth back in because I had no teeth. So, so yeah, I mean, the cancer I managed, right? I have I have friends who experienced the same problem and went to an oncologist and basically had half of their face cut out, right? Yeah, people that have got like, all of this cut out, or all of this cut out. So if you can't solve the problem yourself, you're, you're then only you're then down to the system doing it and

they cut into deep tissue and they cut out half of the jaw. I did it myself, right? The cancer I addressed. Rebuilding the jaw I could not do, I had to have surgery.

Sean (01:09:08.609)
Okay. So the one thing I'm, I'm on board with, um, is this idea that the body is always trying to return to homeostasis. Um, and then the idea of, um, in your book of, of healing music therapy, like that made sense to me, right? If I can listen to Pantera music and I can get angry, or I can listen to salsa music and I can be happy, there has to be a music that will return my body into homeostasis. Um, so I'm trying.

Danny Carroll (01:09:16.453)
Yes.

Danny Carroll (01:09:31.868)
to a homeostasis. Yes, amazing.

Sean (01:09:36.817)
I'm trying to make this connection to, can you just share with our listeners about the music that goes into homeostasis, the Mein Student Matken, I listened to it yesterday. I had it on for like a half hour. It's beautiful music, but what kind of like pulled me away from it was when Dr. Hamer was singing in it. So I was wondering if there's certain tracks that you maybe listen to or that is.

more in that sequence that we could all kind of incorporate into our daily lives.

Danny Carroll (01:10:09.564)
So let's get a bit of background. There's a music professor, Dr. Giovanna Conti, who was working with Dr. Hummer in the 2000s with health challenges. So in the Germanic healing knowledge, there's the second biological law is called the two phases of healing. So when you go into conflict, what happens? Then you go conflict, resolve the conflict.

healing crisis, healing, and it's a chart, right? We can see a very clear picture of the chart. Professor Conti was carrying out a research project on music and she realized that the pattern of many Western classical masterpieces, Schubert, Mozart, all of those types, followed exactly the same pattern as Dr. Hammer's Two Phases of Healing, okay? But that got her thinking, okay?

So she then started studying patterns of music, which was one big piece of the puzzle. Then in the 1900s, music used to be tuned at A equals 432 hertz. That's essentially our natural healing frequency. In the early 1900s, the Rockefellers carried out

research on music frequencies and discovered that if you increase a from 432 hertz up to 440 hertz, it has a number of effects, including making the worker bees work harder and faster. It also has a lot of negative health effects. Okay, now in net-net cut this process, this long process short, Dr. Hummer and Professor Giammarna Conti discovered that

if you have music that's both written in accordance with this pattern, which essentially is the pattern of the Fibonacci sequence, or the golden ratio, which you can look into in research. So this is a this is a godlike pattern in nature that you see in waves and in sunflower seeds, it's the circular process that goes like this.

Danny Carroll (01:12:30.884)
called the Fibonacci sequence if the music is written in accordance with the Fibonacci sequence and played at 432 hertz it has extraordinary heating capacity okay now this was discovered partially by accident one of Dr Hummer's patients his daughter his seven-year-old daughter an Austrian girl had chronic bronchitis for months and they and they couldn't get rid of it

Dr. Hummer's books that had his music on it. And this young girl basically listens to this music day and night for three days and she walked out of a bed bedroom after three days in perfectly good health. Okay, Dr. Hummer used this music therapy for healing children with autism and Down syndrome, basically to fully recover their health. And essentially what this does, when we have these, these

life crisis. So in Down syndrome, the hearing conflicts that retard the development process, okay, and shut down both hearing centers, what this music does is it downgrades those conflicts, and it allows the child to come out of those conflicts and start developing naturally again. Okay, so you I had a I had a friend who had a four year old, highly autistic child, who

essentially was almost incommunicable and very angry. I gave him this music and I said, try it, right? I mean, I hadn't really experimented with it very much at that point in time. So I gave him this music and he just, he played the music quietly whilst the child slept. And it can be barely audible. I mean, Sean, you don't have to listen to Dr. Hummer had many extraordinary talents and singing was not one of them, okay? But however,

Sean (01:14:23.105)
Yeah.

Danny Carroll (01:14:26.008)
what he discovered is the music with him singing had twice the effects in terms of healing than the professional choir version of the song. But you don't have to listen to it, it can be barely audible. I sleep at night time with it, right? It's free healing. So I sleep every night with just his music playing very, very quietly on the lowest setting. So my friend who had a four-year-old, highly autistic,

Sean (01:14:41.13)
Okay.

Danny Carroll (01:14:54.236)
incommunicable, very angry, young four-year-old ended up with a five-year-old child, highly extroverted, fun-loving, really, I mean, a wonderful child within a year of sort of playing this music at night time. And it has an extraordinary impact, John, and it can be whether it's in a terminal cancer patient or whether it's in a whether it's in an autistic or a child with Down syndrome.

this music provides solutions for those problems. So if somebody's come to me for help, I don't call them patients, don't call them clients, because they're not, somebody comes to me for help. Even if I have problems being able to get the trauma to surface from a subconscious mind, I put them on the music and then it just helps to downgrade the problem and helps them to pull out naturally even if they can't practically identify the trauma that's caused the problem. The music solves these problems.

It's truly extraordinary.

Sean (01:15:55.441)
Yeah, regarding this as far as kind of mainstream Western medicine knowledge too, this is a quote from the Director of Medical Oncology and Integrative Medicine at the Cornell Cancer Prevention Center in New York, Dr. Mitchell Gaynor. He says that if we accept that sound is vibration, and we know that vibration touches every part of our physical being, then we understand that sound is heard not only through our ears, but through every cell in our bodies.

Danny Carroll (01:16:08.028)
Hmm.

Danny Carroll (01:16:11.995)
Mm-hmm.

Danny Carroll (01:16:23.676)
Absolutely.

Sean (01:16:24.321)
One reason sound heals on a physical level is because it's so deeply touches and transforms us on the emotional and spiritual planes. Sound can redress imbalances on every level of physiological functioning and can play a positive role in the treatment of virtually any medical disorder.

Danny Carroll (01:16:33.82)
Mm-hmm.

Danny Carroll (01:16:43.324)
Correct. Absolutely. And so Sean, back to your question, I only use the song of Dr. Hamer singing with cello, number one, because he said that from his experience, in terms of facilitating healing, that it had significantly better results than the professional version, which was essentially at 440 hertz.

Sean (01:16:45.919)
And that's, yeah, that's.

Danny Carroll (01:17:12.792)
So I assume that if other music has been number one written in accordance with the Fibonacci sequence and played at 432 hertz, I assume it should produce the same outcome. Honestly, I haven't had the time, space or energy to test other music. So...

I stick to this one song, I play, I'm sleeping, who cares? I mean, I'm asleep anyway, right? So I play it at nighttime. Dr. Hummer said that if you're in a very difficult situation, you're better off to play it 24 seven. I gave the music to a friend of mine who had half of his liver removed. And basically he said to me, when he exposed himself to the music, he didn't require any pain medication, okay?

As soon as he switched the music off the payment, whoop, like this. So this music is extraordinary.

Sean (01:18:10.089)
But before we run out of time, I do have some one final question and it it's around the phenomenon of the placebo effect. So the placebo and guess in my mind, it almost has like this negative connection where it's like unexplainable. It was nothing. So when, when a person has the placebo effect or they go through that experience, it's almost like you're weak. You know, you, nothing was given to you. Um, you just healed yourself. So my question is.

Could this be an explanation for the placebo effect? And shouldn't this be the desired response for everyone because it is so positive?

Danny Carroll (01:18:48.86)
Well, I mean, the placebo effect in many ways is an explanation of the power of the mind. I mean, I think therefore I am. I mean, you must have seen many of these placebo effect studies where they give people chemotherapy tablets, right, or they're told they're given chemo and their hair falls out, right, and all they had was a sugar pill. Okay, so I mean, it's the...

Sean (01:19:12.801)
Mm-hmm.

Danny Carroll (01:19:16.06)
It's the power of the, we hugely underestimate the power of the mind. But when that power of the mind is directed, when you understand, if I understood for example, that if I get a tumor on my testicle, all I have to do is understand that biological program and get my wife pregnant so I can replace a child I just lost. I mean, you've got the power of the mind multiplied by knowledge.

right, or if I had a mammary or globular breast cancer, and I can work out the nest or care conflict that's caused that problem, then, you know, I can use the power, in fact, what Dr. Hama discovered, which is probably a whole nother discussion, is that we can use our conscious mind in order to switch off these biological programs. This cancer I got in my jaw here, I switched it off, right? I said, oh, okay, I know that I have...

this cancer has come in my jaw because I had a fight with my wife over this at this point in time, switch off this cancer bang, and I just switched it off like a light switch. Okay, so the placebo effect is just for me is a is a mere representation of the power of the mind that we are not using. But what Dr. Hummer what Dr. Hummer's medical discoveries the greatest, the greatest contribution he's made to the world is

is essentially being able to identify the cause of a health challenge with a sniper's rifle. Right? This problem in my jaw was caused by a five second argument a month ago with my wife. Okay, I know specifically what caused the problem, and therefore how to fix it. Okay, and back to my original point at the beginning of our discussion.

You can never solve a problem by addressing the symptom of the problem. This is the symptom of the problem. This is nature increasing my capacity to bet to be able to effectively evacuate something from that. I couldn't digest a problem that I couldn't digest. Right. So I can't solve the problem here. I can only solve the problem by the life crisis, by the cause of the problem. OK, you can never solve a problem by addressing the symptoms of the problem.

Danny Carroll (01:21:40.944)
you can only ever solve a problem but the cause of it.

Sean (01:21:41.693)
With that being said,

Yeah, with that being said, Sean, I'd like to apologize to you for calling you dangerously naive. On all those podcasts. He thinks he's causing he's afraid he's the root cause of my cancers, which I haven't discovered yet. I've had this I've had this conflict that I think exists that I feel like I just have to get this off my chest.

Danny Carroll (01:21:52.764)
HAHAHA

Danny Carroll (01:21:58.46)
HAHAHA

Danny Carroll (01:22:09.457)
Yeah, I mean, I did this, this body of knowledge is truly extraordinary. Okay. The place where I live, it's beautiful place where you have no fear of disease, right? Because I understand biologically, what changes in my body, what causes that change in biology, what its purpose is, and how I can essentially address those problems.

Sean (01:22:09.874)
Uh, Danny Carol.

Danny Carroll (01:22:37.1)
And I've had all sorts of horror shows, right? I've had lung cancer and a collapsed lung. I've had testicular cancer, I've had jaw cancer. On my back at the moment, I currently have skin cancer, which is essentially caused by people stabbing me in the back, right? So I've had what was diagnosed as a brain hemorrhage. And I mean, I've had, after COVID, I had bone cancer in my arm and rheumatoid arthritis in my left arm.

a collapse disc in my neck, which is an intellectual conflict. Okay, I mean, I've had all of the horror shows have all been sent to me. But they're sent to somebody number one who has the ability to solve those problems. And who can use that learning in order to teach others, right? So I mean, this this, the thing that the thing that people don't realize is that conventional medicine is a system symptomatic treatment for so

are all forms of alternative medicine. Okay, in nutritional healing, I'm detoxing the body, which is essentially the environment of the symptoms. In bark flower remedies, I'm addressing the symptoms of the emotions. In homeopathy or Ayurveda, I'm working with the environment of the symptoms. None of these if I get breast cancer, if I have a, I don't know, a Reiki practitioner coming to do energy on my breast, nobody is saying, oh, okay, that breast cancer was caused because your child

was hit by a car and nature's reactivated your ability, okay, in order to solve a problem, okay? If I get that breast cancer, then I'm gonna go on a vegan diet and I'm going to do reiki and I'm gonna do bark flower remedies and I'm gonna do all the things, right? None of it makes any difference because until the fundamental problem, my child got hit by a car, until that child recovers his health again, once a child becomes back to full health again, that biological program will switch off.

but then I'll say, oh yeah, it switched off because I went on a vegan diet or because I did Reiki or because I did homeopathy or I did all of this. Makes no difference. It's a fundamental biological program. Unless you understand what caused it and what the journey back to homeostasis is and what you need to switch that biological program off, anything you do will make no difference whatsoever.

Sean (01:24:56.981)
Danny, thank you. This has been a enlightening conversation. I think it's very thought provoking. I think I have to sit with it for a while and even have some conversations with Sean about it. How can people find you?

Danny Carroll (01:25:05.172)
We can do it again, doctor. I mean, I can discuss these subjects for like a million. You want to do like a thousand podcasts. It's all possible, right? My, so my book, this is my book, Terminal Cancer and Misdiagnosis. This is currently available on Amazon in Kindle version, audiobook, hardback and paperback. My home base is my name, Danny Carroll with a hyphen.

Sean (01:25:08.099)
Yeah.

Sean (01:25:13.604)
We can tell.

Danny Carroll (01:25:33.7)
Danny-Carroll.com. This is my home base. This is an introduction to Dr. Hummer's medical discoveries. There will be 500 books, one on each disease, following this. So this is saying, okay, this is new medical discoveries, and then you need a book to solve a specific problem. I've currently written four of those books, one on IBS and ulcerative colitis, one on testicular cancer, one on atopic dermatitis.

and one on breast cancer. Once the launch process for this book is completed, probably from September onwards, I'll be writing one book on every disease known to man and they're written so that anybody with no knowledge of the subject can pick them up, read, understand and absorb the content and they'll be on a tab on my website called the Healing Tribune. It's a new media healing property I'm developing.

with the healing tribute and the tagline is the cause of disease made simple.

Sean (01:26:36.405)
Danny Carroll, thank you for a radically genuine conversation.

Danny Carroll (01:26:41.469)
100%. Absolute pleasure.